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Thank you for being on topicOriginally posted by mtnbkr:
Hi Spowers, I am unfamiliar with Wicca, please explain some basics if possible. Is Wicca a new age movement? I've seen some bumper stickers in the past but I don't know anything about it.
Wicca is an earth based religion. It could be classified as new age, but that depends on who you talk to. Some people will insist it's the world's oldest religion, but really it's more based on older religions. It can (but doesn't have to) include witchcraft. It's pagan, which means multiple gods and goddesses, but I personally believe they are aspects of one God, that is both masculine and feminine, good and evil. It's not devil worship, which is a common misconception. Most practitioners of Wicca don't even believe in the devil, or an ultimate evil being. The same goes for an ultimate good being. God is both. God is everything, in everything (which means seeing the divine in other people and in nature).
-Samantha
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I've heard that, but I really don't know how much truth there is to it.Originally posted by mtnbkr:
Hi Samantha, I went to wikipedia to read some more so I could talk intelligently. I gathered from what I read that Wicca is tied to pagan celtic religions common in the pre Roman occupation of western europe? Perhaps from the time of the druids?
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Hi spowers,
I don't know much about Wicca, but I decided to check on it from a Christian research tool that is on line, and I would like for you to give this a fair reading. If there are any falsehoods or information that is out of context, please let us know and please provide some clarification if there is mis-information there that can help us better understand your view point. Here is the link:
http://www.carm.org/religious-...e-wiccan-please-read
I am trying to keep an open mind, and trying not to be judgmental and hope that you can help us understand with some feedback. You have every right to worship as you wish, but please help us to understand more about your choices.
Thanks,
I don't know much about Wicca, but I decided to check on it from a Christian research tool that is on line, and I would like for you to give this a fair reading. If there are any falsehoods or information that is out of context, please let us know and please provide some clarification if there is mis-information there that can help us better understand your view point. Here is the link:
http://www.carm.org/religious-...e-wiccan-please-read
I am trying to keep an open mind, and trying not to be judgmental and hope that you can help us understand with some feedback. You have every right to worship as you wish, but please help us to understand more about your choices.
Thanks,
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Lauren,
I don't understand, why this whole topic opened up on a preemptive and defensive note, and then there was an apparent gruff and annoyed response to observations to which the questions or observations seem totally innocent, now you want to jump in wanting to fan the flames that only seem to fuel anger and despair, and basically shut down the topic starters desire to discuss their religious belief; in this case, Wicca.
When we appear to take an interest and ask questions there is a problem? If we are indifferent there is a problem? I don't get it.
I think if the person is comfortable with their belief; questions about their belief system should not trouble the person. Unless there is something to be nervous about that they don't want to talk about.
I am trying to show an openness to the person(s) own observations as a first source witness or testimony of their faith. i don't expect anyone to know all about their religious belief, but I am interested in what may have attracted the person to follow in their particular belief. Is that so bad?
If they are shy or unsure about talking about it, perhaps they could direct me to sources that lends to support their belief choice in whatever. I brought something up and they are free to comment on the validity or falseness of those observations, findings, etc. It's called dialog.
If you try to bite my head off you might get your own head crushed (metaphorically speaking). I have been polite, kept my comments in proper decorum, and not rude and I would appreciate the same in return. Can we keep in that vain?
Please note, not one mention of my own belief. I want to hear about theirs. Is that okay?
Thanks,
Gman
I don't understand, why this whole topic opened up on a preemptive and defensive note, and then there was an apparent gruff and annoyed response to observations to which the questions or observations seem totally innocent, now you want to jump in wanting to fan the flames that only seem to fuel anger and despair, and basically shut down the topic starters desire to discuss their religious belief; in this case, Wicca.
When we appear to take an interest and ask questions there is a problem? If we are indifferent there is a problem? I don't get it.
I think if the person is comfortable with their belief; questions about their belief system should not trouble the person. Unless there is something to be nervous about that they don't want to talk about.
I am trying to show an openness to the person(s) own observations as a first source witness or testimony of their faith. i don't expect anyone to know all about their religious belief, but I am interested in what may have attracted the person to follow in their particular belief. Is that so bad?
If they are shy or unsure about talking about it, perhaps they could direct me to sources that lends to support their belief choice in whatever. I brought something up and they are free to comment on the validity or falseness of those observations, findings, etc. It's called dialog.
If you try to bite my head off you might get your own head crushed (metaphorically speaking). I have been polite, kept my comments in proper decorum, and not rude and I would appreciate the same in return. Can we keep in that vain?
Please note, not one mention of my own belief. I want to hear about theirs. Is that okay?
Thanks,
Gman
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No one Gman is ASKING you if it's ok to post about their beliefs, nor does she have to share her thoughts so that YOU can better understand her choices. MYOB is what comes to mind. 
Did she say she was here to defend her beliefs? or do you feel it's your right as a Christian to question hers cause it doesn't fit mainstrean dogma or at the very least the holly rollers on this site? Let the lady express her feeling and stay out of it. You've got roughly a zillion other christains post to add your two cents to. Stay out of one that has NOTHING to do with you and your religion. Your only intentions here are to belittle. Lets not play passive or dumb about it.
Did she say she was here to defend her beliefs? or do you feel it's your right as a Christian to question hers cause it doesn't fit mainstrean dogma or at the very least the holly rollers on this site? Let the lady express her feeling and stay out of it. You've got roughly a zillion other christains post to add your two cents to. Stay out of one that has NOTHING to do with you and your religion. Your only intentions here are to belittle. Lets not play passive or dumb about it.-
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Lauren please,
I wish you would be a little more civil. You seem determined to strive toward being rude and obnoxious. Just read your own posts, and decide for yourself.
Lauren, do you think you are appointed the person to tell others to mind their own business in any matter that you involve yourself in?
Anything open for discussion on this or any other forum makes it our business, if we choose to.
All forum discussions; generally have questions or observations made, in efforts to better understand, what the members of this forum, may or may not wish to comment about, or try to understand how best they may offer suggestions, encouragement and support.
Lauren, what do you think makes this topic any different?
Lauren, who appointed you the bully on this or any other forum?
Lauren do you find it is your goal in life to be so hateful? Or one that is determined to draw hate for hate? To which I will strive to refrain from. I am just asking the questions.
IMHO, on this particular forum, anyone can discuss whatever they wish about their religious belief, and we can agree or disagree, or ask questions and receive, or not receive answers, as we try to have a civil dialog of give and take. After all, aren't we all here to support, help, encourage and otherwise try to uplift all of our brothers and sisters suffering from various disorders?
Lauren, I don't think it is necessary for you to be rude in your answers to me or anyone else, for that matter. I am not chiding you. I am just pointing out FACTS. Anyone reading your responses can judge for themselves and see you are being rude. I am just stating the obvious.
Moreover, I do not feel I have to apologize for anything I have said, or questioned here. I made note that the last time we were engaged in a discussion, to wit, you showed the same disdain for other people's beliefs and or feelings; you never indicated your acceptance of my apology.
Which is fine by me; because the same Person that watches over me, bore witness to my sincerity, and shall judge in these and all other matters.
Lauren, if you can dispense with all the drama and vice rile you seem to want to throw into this discussion, I would appreciate it if spowers would please try to disregard this unfortunate display of disrespect and insensitivity toward you (spowers), and please speak freely on your religious belief(s), so that we may all have better insight about your feelings and thoughts on the subject, and give us all another opportunity to stay on subject as you requested.
Spowers, I regret that your desire to have a place to express your opinion, and or observations, about your beliefs broke down into such a flagrant insensitivity toward your feelings and right to speak on your own behalf. Perhaps, if you would start another topic we can all have a fresh start, and we'll see where that takes us. Or if you wish, you could pm me and we'll keep things light and open minded. I just want you to have a fair opportunity to speak your peace.
Thank you,
Gman
I wish you would be a little more civil. You seem determined to strive toward being rude and obnoxious. Just read your own posts, and decide for yourself.
Lauren, do you think you are appointed the person to tell others to mind their own business in any matter that you involve yourself in?
Anything open for discussion on this or any other forum makes it our business, if we choose to.
All forum discussions; generally have questions or observations made, in efforts to better understand, what the members of this forum, may or may not wish to comment about, or try to understand how best they may offer suggestions, encouragement and support.
Lauren, what do you think makes this topic any different?
Lauren, who appointed you the bully on this or any other forum?
Lauren do you find it is your goal in life to be so hateful? Or one that is determined to draw hate for hate? To which I will strive to refrain from. I am just asking the questions.
IMHO, on this particular forum, anyone can discuss whatever they wish about their religious belief, and we can agree or disagree, or ask questions and receive, or not receive answers, as we try to have a civil dialog of give and take. After all, aren't we all here to support, help, encourage and otherwise try to uplift all of our brothers and sisters suffering from various disorders?
Lauren, I don't think it is necessary for you to be rude in your answers to me or anyone else, for that matter. I am not chiding you. I am just pointing out FACTS. Anyone reading your responses can judge for themselves and see you are being rude. I am just stating the obvious.
Moreover, I do not feel I have to apologize for anything I have said, or questioned here. I made note that the last time we were engaged in a discussion, to wit, you showed the same disdain for other people's beliefs and or feelings; you never indicated your acceptance of my apology.
Which is fine by me; because the same Person that watches over me, bore witness to my sincerity, and shall judge in these and all other matters.
Lauren, if you can dispense with all the drama and vice rile you seem to want to throw into this discussion, I would appreciate it if spowers would please try to disregard this unfortunate display of disrespect and insensitivity toward you (spowers), and please speak freely on your religious belief(s), so that we may all have better insight about your feelings and thoughts on the subject, and give us all another opportunity to stay on subject as you requested.
Spowers, I regret that your desire to have a place to express your opinion, and or observations, about your beliefs broke down into such a flagrant insensitivity toward your feelings and right to speak on your own behalf. Perhaps, if you would start another topic we can all have a fresh start, and we'll see where that takes us. Or if you wish, you could pm me and we'll keep things light and open minded. I just want you to have a fair opportunity to speak your peace.
Thank you,
Gman
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BTW Lauren,
You don't have to hide behind your computer. You have my number, you can speak directly to me. Besides, what have you to fear? Your thousands of miles from me, I have no desire, nor can I travel distances greater than 40 miles or more than 1 hour. I am just a broken down old man, call me. We can talk about it or anything else you choose.
(((HUGS)))
Try to make it a great day,
You don't have to hide behind your computer. You have my number, you can speak directly to me. Besides, what have you to fear? Your thousands of miles from me, I have no desire, nor can I travel distances greater than 40 miles or more than 1 hour. I am just a broken down old man, call me. We can talk about it or anything else you choose.
(((HUGS)))
Try to make it a great day,