For followers of "less popular" spiritual path's

David** · Post by David** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:56 am

Hi Tara, if you or anyone would like to actually 'hear' what lakota sounds like click the link below:

<A HREF="http://www.fallsky.com/lakota/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.fallsky.com/lakota/</A>

I put this one small page up so others can hear what I hear. No I don't sound like indian because that has been lost by living where I do but my forefathers spoke this language that I am now attempting to learn. The voice on this page is from a Lakota medicine man...I wish I could speak as he does.

The sound track repeats itself endlessly.

BTTRFLY · Post by **BTTRFLY** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:28 am

Thanks, David--gonna check it out. Very cool stuff

David** · Post by David** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:34 am

I'll add more as time permits and my time free time seems to get less. lol

Btw, here is the translation for Butterfly to Lakota: Kimi Mila (pronounced: Keeme Meela )

(so glad I can type today)

BTTRFLY · Post by **BTTRFLY** » Mon May 14, 2007 7:43 am

Kimi Mila--that is pretty.

Is that a wolf on your avatar? I love them, so beautiful and free...it amazes me that a wolf howl is such a cool sound to me, yet my Beagle's howl makes me want to remove her vocal cords, lol. Kidding, of course

thinker · Post by **thinker** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:21 pm

Hey guys, i am new to this, what does "bump" mean? I have seen it in few different spots.

wholegrain · Post by **wholegrain** » Mon May 14, 2007 2:38 pm

Thinker, to "bump" a thread means to post on it so that it appears at the top of the list and is therefore more visible. It's to remind people that it's there so they can read and reply to it. Sometimes when the purpose of a post is only to bump the thread, people only type the word "bump".

thinker · Post by **thinker** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:39 pm

Gotcha! Thanks for the clarification- I was thinking people were trying to bump people off the page or something!

BeatAnxiety07 · Post by **BeatAnxiety07** » Tue May 15, 2007 5:55 pm

Originally posted by David**:
Good morning BA, (not sure your real name and hate calling someone Beat...lol),

Hey, sorry it took so long to respond. The name is John and I'm guessing .... that your name is David.

I like the stuff you posted. It is great to see some different beliefs other than the ones we are normally exposed to in the States; especially since your beliefs are the ones that are native to this land anyway.

I've always found Native American beliefs to be compelling. I especially like the idea that some call their "beliefs" traditions instead of beliefs, religion etc... I think you may have posted this idea in the other thread but either way this is really good and peaceful way to look at spirituality. This way, rather than trying to prove to others that your idea is the right one or theirs is the wrong one, you are merely accepting your traditions for what they are without question. I think this is a lot easier to do when viewed this way; it takes away the "rules/regulations and dogma" that are often
accompanied by more popular beliefs (traditions).

I was wondering how your beliefs have helped you with your recovery? Do you practice any rituals, prayers or anything to that degree that others may be interested in trying?

Also, I was wondering if you found any of the Toltec ideas helpful; Toltec comes from the Aztecs, which was also a native american civilization. It is interesting to see how two civilizations, relatively close can come up with some very different ideas of how to interpretate the world around them but share some remarkably similar ones to civilizations on the other side of the world. Just a thought...

Anyway, great posts! Keep watching this thread hopefully we will get some other people in here.

BeatAnxiety07 · Post by **BeatAnxiety07** » Tue May 15, 2007 7:57 pm

Originally posted by Barb G.:
Hi, if you've read some of my other posts, you know I'm a Christian. I do not want to stir the pot. I will be open and listen. I actually read "The Four Agreements". My brother who I don't know very well and only met for the first time a year ago told me to get it. I will try to find it again. There were some things I found helpful and others I questioned. He is new age and also gay. It was hard for us to find a common ground mainly because he wanted to talk all his stuff but hear nothing of my God or Jesus. One day in a restaurant I asked him not to talk any more about budha unless it was OK I talked about Jesus. That was the end of that.

I'm sorry that your brother was so arrogant about it. Anyway, you should give the other books I recommended a read. You might find something appealing in them.

Originally posted by Barb G.:
David, I tried to get that site and got no music. I only got the eagle flapping its wings. When I was a kid we once went to an Indian Pow Wow. I thought it was so neat. To this day I still like Indain dolls and just packed some away but still have my dream catcher up. Some Christians don't think it's right. Well, I have a picture of Jesus right above it and believe he is the Great dream catcher. He gives us dreams and visions and maybe the bad ones fall thru. I don't know. It's what it means to you not what someone else is saying. I don't see anything in the Bible against Indians. Some get hung up on them talking to the spirit. and say you could bring evil spirits in your home, just like crystals etc. Well, I used to get hung up on some of that when I was a new Christian because of the ideas other Christians put in my head that it was bad. I have a chrystal hanging in my car and Indian stuff here. The Indian stuff is from precious memories in my childhood. I happen to think the crystal is pretty. I do know what you mean about some Christians being hypocrites. They are the ones who spoil it for other Christians who really care. Jesus didn't judge people like many so called church people do. Just because a mouse gets into a cookie jar doesn't make him a cookie so it is with people. Just because they attend church doesn't make them a Christian. Jesus got upset with the Pharisees (leaders in the church) why? because they were Fair, you see! Just like the saducees didn't believe in the resurrection and that's why they were sad you see? I heard that years back and it always stuck. There's another saying that says Christians are the only ones who shoot their wounded. Unfortunately this also is true. My husband and I have been feeling lately that our non Christian friends are more fun and often more caring than our Christian ones. Like my son said with us moving, "where's all your church friends to help?" Some will, but usually the same ones. Often the ones that aren't Christians can teach us Christians lessons too. Well, hopefully we can be open minded together on this and learn from each other.

I agree with you that certain Christians are setting a bad example for others. This is certainly true among certain sects. Anyway, I think we can all learn a lot from reading certain parables in the New Testament. There are a lot of good teachings in there. I especially like the idea: "Love they Enemy" I think if someone is capable of doing such a thing they will also be free of hatred for themselves.

Seriously, what good does hatred and anger get us?

I really think if a lot of people read what Jesus taught and took out some of the "dogma" it would be a lot more appealing to many people including anti-christians. Actually, I like what Thomas Jefferson said once: "Take out all these miracles and rules/regulations and I can really work with this stuff." << something along those lines

Mark in OP · Post by **Mark in OP** » Wed May 16, 2007 9:18 am

Great post! Thank you.

Having grown up a preacher's son in a mainstream denomination, I personally found original sin based religion to be one of the most negative experiences of my life.

Leaving that church was a bit difficult, but what a freeing experience. I attend Unity and find it, for the most part, to be really uplifting and open minded. I can't say that I'm very religious in the dogmatic sense, but Unity has helped me become more deeply connected to spirit.