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David**
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Post by David** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:53 pm

Good morning CC, question for you direct from me only, am I not to come into the Sunday night prayer group in chat? I have to ask because the way it looks now you all are starting to seperate people out. I hope this isn't the case.

My beliefs, which btw for those who don't know, are Native American beliefs as in the Great Spirit as both Kath & CC know from chat. I've known both of these ladies longer than any of the others talking in here put together and we've been friends through it all. Our religious beliefs have never played a part of that friendship.

Just checkin' CC, not condemming or praising anyone for anything only wondering if it's ok for anyone to stop in Sunday night like we used to at different times. See ya in chat. :)

Edit, pardon the grammar, I'm still asleep I think....6:55 am is too early for anything.

Edit, cleaned up the grammar but at 6:58 am, who cares. ;)
"May God grant us the wisdom to discover right, the will to choose it, and the strength to make it endure."

C.C. Ryder
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Post by C.C. Ryder » Thu May 01, 2008 12:51 am

Dear David,

Excellent question. Thank you.

I cannot stress enough that ALL are welcome. As long as I am the leader, NO ONE will be separated out or judged.

This group is a non-preaching, non-judgemental, open-to-all fellowship that references God. No one is excluded. And just for the record, StressCenter.com is graciously allowing us to do this, so we have to follow guidelines.

This is also a very casual group. For those seeking more intensitiy, this may not be the group for you. But I encourage everyone to give it a try, come with an open mind and open heart and see what you think.

God bless,
CC

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Post by David** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:35 am

Thank you for your answer CC. Just got home from work and catching up on everything now. See ya in chat. :)
"May God grant us the wisdom to discover right, the will to choose it, and the strength to make it endure."

C.C. Ryder
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Post by C.C. Ryder » Thu May 01, 2008 11:26 am

I think it's important to remember why this group was started - to bring a sense of peace and comfort to those suffering from anxiety, depression and other disorders.

It was not designed to make a statement, pass judgement or be exclusionary. It is very casual and low-key, because those coming are seeking to escape stress, not find more.

I hope to see lots of people on Sunday night. God bless you all.

Peace and love,
CC

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Post by Lenore » Tue May 06, 2008 1:57 am

CC - you are 1 phenominal woman. Unfortunately, I work Sunday evenings - otherwise, I WOULD SO BE THERE W/ YOU IN YOUR PRAYER GROUP. LOL, I am there in spirit. I want to personally thank you for leading this group - FAITH/SPIRITUALITY is a KEY COMPONENT of recovery & God - or however a person may choose to call him - has chosen a great messenger - YOU. I also want to thank you for your DIPLOMACY & INCLUSIONARY ways - so that ALL ARE WELCOME - as it should be. TY SWEETS.

KATHY - lol, my MUEY - you'll always be my MUEY & my friend(ok, you can vomitt now, hahahahah). I love that you have compassion - not only for yourself - but for others as well. Not everyone has the ability to be strong or STICK UP FOR THEMSELVES - it is wonderful people such as yourself that initially do that for them - then show them the way - that they have the right to be & believe as they choose. For then, these individuals can do it for themselves. I love your sense of spirituality/faith. I like that you are so strong in your BELIEF SYSTEM/FAITH/SENSE OF SPIRITUALITY, that WHO & WHAT YOU ARE as a person & woman can totally allow another person to be different than you w/ no qualms or negativity. <span class="ev_code_RED">See, thats why you are darn lucky that I chose you as a friend, hahahahhahahahha. Joking babe - & I luv ya to pieces.</span>

When my journey to recovery started in APR-2005, it turned my world upside dwn. I did 2 very key things. For me, in my particular case, 1) I initiated therapy w/ a psychiatrist. 2) I turned it over to God. You see, yes I do have a "RELIGION" for which I was raised - I won't name it NOW & HERE - to prove a point. It's just, that as I got a little older & more mature - some things about me were changing. When I heard CAROLYN say this certain something in the program - I KNEW I WAS ON THE RIGHT PATH - spiritually. Like Carolyn & I'm sure many others, I have a FAITH now - not so much a RELIGION. That does not imply I stopped believing all I was taught or as I was taught - no. Rather, I WILL NOT & NEVER AGAIN WILL - live or act out of fear. Next, I as a person & woman, choose not to get involved in the politics of modern day religion. All that is nonsense to me - creating additional negative energy & trust you me, my anxiety disorder triggering was proof positive - I was doing that pretty good on my own, LOL.

God, or however a person may call him, didn't create this nonsense - MAN DID. For God, he wants us to LOVE OURSELVES & OTHERS MORE. God or however we all may choose to call him, created the world we live in: diff flowers + plants + animals + humans = races + religions + color of skin = VARIETY. W/ this variety amongst humans, comes diff cultures + lifestyles + interpretations of many things. Again, all created by GODS hands. God or however we may call him on an individual basis, knew what he was doing fr the GET GO ! When you have these different cultures & races as created by Gods hands, you will as a result of CAUSE & EFFECT, have different interpretations to many things in life. One of those differences is how we call him: God + Allah + Jehovah + Yahweh + Jah + Radha + Krishna + Buddha + Akal Purakh or Ek Onkar = THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE MANY NAMES by which we refer to "our creator" - that stem fr the variety of life our CREATOR has created on this planet earth. Is 1 any less VALID just because it is not our own? No it is not! It is simply just DIFFERENT.


I am strong enough in MY FAITH = SPIRTUAL BELIEF system - that I can accept & respect all those differences. You see, I know(as my recovery fr anxiety disorder has both taught me & proven to me) MY WAY IS NOT THE ONLY WAY OR THE RIGHT WAY - my way is simply different, no more no less. I could give a HOOT, so to speak, that HE/SHE/THEY/HIM/THEM may refer to our creator by a different name - so I call him GOD & that guy may call him differently. That doesn't matter to me - you know why? BECAUSE I HAVE HIM - I have our God in my heart/soul/being/spirit - I have him & always will - that is what I care about. It also warms my heart even further that THE NEXT PERSON - & so on & son & so on - HAS HIM TOO. Yes, even if they refer to him by a diff name - as long as they have him.

Listen: whether you take a plane + bus + motorcycle + train + car + bike + walk + run - God doesn't care HOW YOU GET THERE - as long as YOU TAKE THE TRIP. Recovery fr anxiety disorder requires us all to rid ourselves & our lives fr as much negativity as possible. So, if we are all on that same journey & PROUDLY PROCLAIM - "yep, I want to feel better" - then by gosh, how is it - that while I read these postings here on this particular thread - that I see such negativity? My saying this does not in any way imply you STOP BELIEVING HOW YOU CHOOSE OR AS STRONGLY AS YOU CHOOOSE - rather, if you all claim to be on a more positive path in life - to feel better so that you can TRULY RECOVER fr ANXIETY DISORDER, that you want to rid yourselves & your lives of the negativity that CREATED THE ANXIETY DISORDER in the 1st place - how is it that you still type these things - w/ such unnecessary venum behind them? That is a contradiction. If there is such venum & negativity in the mix, there won't be recovery. It's like OIL & WATER, they don't mix.

I grew up in an area in NJ where I refer to it as a MINI UNITED NATIONS - every race/religion/creed you could think of. My friends made up our own little group of U.N., lol. Quite often, I was left unattended. The circumstance wasn't great & I believe I was "searching" for a family if you will. Anyhows, obviously back then - I didn't understand it as I tell you this now. The parents of all the friends I did have then MUST HAVE. I was often invited over for a snack + to play + for supper, etc - I happily went, because I was a PART OF SOMETHING. The little girl I was then didn't SEE THE DIFFERENCES - but they were there. These parents that helped me & invited me into their homes were: hispanic + black + middle eastern + Korean + white + chinese - many, far too many for me to even post accurately. Heck, I remember 1 friend DIANA who was KOREAN - they had this Sund church service where afterwards - they would all congregate to the basement for a buffet of every kind of food/cake, etc you could think of. They invited me - I went. I was the only "white" person there - majority didn't speak too well English either. Yet, they welcomed me w/ open arms - they were wonderful to me. As I got older & found myself on my own in my senior year of high school - this "variety" of people helped guide me & help me along the way. A lge part of who I am today, is the sum total of a small part of them all. MY POINT? lol - THEY WERE LIVING GOD'S WILL FOR US ALL BY THEIR ACTIONS - do you see that? They didn't care that I was white & whatever faith I was - didn't matter. The intention is that we all learn to live together + respect our differences - to love ourselves & others more.

I know all too well the fear 9/11 created for us all - not just here in the UNITED STATES, but around the world. Listen, I was there that terrible day - physically. In 1993, when they bombed the WTC - I worked in 2 WTC-81st flr. On 9/11, while NO LONGER WORKING THERE, I was on a train - in the WTC - just starting to descend into the tunnel - when the 1st plane hit. Hell, a part of my diagnosis fr my psychiatrist when anxiety disorder triggered was PTSD, in part fr 9/11. So, I understand. What those extremist's did that sad & horrible day was devistating & beyond normal comprehension. However, DON'T LET THE DEVIL FOOL YOU - not all MUSLIM'S are as those extremists were. When we're hurt or in fear, we look to blame or point the finger - blame does not belong to MUSLIMS as a whole - it belongs to those group of men, whom the devil won their souls. No more. I know 1st hand how the fear & uncertainty can paralize you - don't let it, esp when it comes to our spiritual beliefs & living amongst eachother. You see, if we all choose to act in the way as implied w/ the many postings in this thread - we are perpetuating the evil + hate that those terrorists had that day. Then, THEY WIN. We need to ACT + LIVE + BREATH + LOVE + BELIEVE DIFFERENTLY - to create change in the world. No, 1 person can't change the world by him/herself. Rather, we DO CHANGE THE WORLD - by changing ourselves.

Peace + love + blessings + unity + friendship,

LENORE
Your greatest challenge isn't someone else. It's the aching i your lungs & the burning in your legs & the voice inside you that yells "CAN'T". But you don't listen. You push harder & hear the voice that whispers "CAN". An you realize that the person you thought you were is no match for the one you REALLY ARE.

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Post by David** » Tue May 06, 2008 3:49 am

Here you go Lenore, from another one who has learned about life plus an excellent quote from a great leader:

"We do not want churches because they will teach us to quarrel about God. We do not want to learn that. We may quarrel with men sometimes about things on this earth, but we never quarrel about the Great Spirit. We do not want to learn that.

Heinmot Tooyalaket (Chief Joseph) of the Nez Percés, 1873

Miss seeing you but will catchup with you in chat sometime. On lunch break now and about ready to go back to work. Have a good one. :D
"May God grant us the wisdom to discover right, the will to choose it, and the strength to make it endure."

Kath
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Post by Kath » Tue May 06, 2008 7:09 am

Hey Dave..
Excellent quote......Thank you so much for sharing...

I couldn't agree more....

See you in chat :)

Believer08
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Post by Believer08 » Tue May 06, 2008 1:51 pm

WOW I have never heard that a church teaches people to quarel with God........Is that really a church...hhhmmm one would think? Praise God I love attending my current church and by no means do they teach anyone to quarel with God only to understand his inspired word......

Blessings in Jesus name

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Post by David** » Tue May 06, 2008 4:37 pm

Me being the curious one of everything that I quote or see written on the internet went a little further into the quote I posted above to double check it in case it wasn't something that the chief said. I do this because I like to quote fact not fiction.

There "is" more to the quote above, in fact it came from a conversation between Chief Joseph and a govenment agent. Here you go:
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"Kill the Indian and save the man." Richard Henry Pratt. “The following conversation was recorded in the late 1800s between Chief Joseph of the Nez Perce tribe and one of the government commissioners who was trying to convince Chief Joseph of the advantages of having a government funded school located on the agency.

"Why do you not want schools?" the commissioner asked.
"They will teach us to have churches," Joseph answered.
"Do you not want churches?"
"No, we do not want churches."
"Why do you not want churches?"
"They will teach us to quarrel about God [translated Great Spirit in other places]," Joseph said. "We do not want to learn that. We may quarrel with men sometimes about things on this earth, but we never quarrel about God. We do not want to learn about that.".

What the Native Americans wanted was the ability to teach their own children their own ways without government interference. Not only was the government wanting to control their lands, their food and their belongings, but they wanted to change the lifestyles of the "savages" so they would be "civilized" like the white man.”

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And the website the article was written on:

<A HREF="http://www.danielnpaul.com/ChiefJoseph-NezPerce.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.danielnpaul.com/ChiefJoseph-NezPerce.html</A>

There ya go...have a great night to all. Work comes early so heading to sleep.
"May God grant us the wisdom to discover right, the will to choose it, and the strength to make it endure."

Joyce M.
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Post by Joyce M. » Wed May 07, 2008 7:05 am

I think a weekly prayer group is a great idea. I know that when I go to church I feel so much better but of course if I feel the anxiety coming on I do not go and then I feel guilty. I do pray and talk to God but not as much as I should. So, of course I carry a lot of guilt about that also.

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