does anyone believe depression is a sin?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:39 am

my mother said it is caused by not living a pure clean life.

God sacrificed his only begotten sun, Jesus the Christ, to give you life and Life more abundant, He left you His Peace, to guide you to Him. He is the Door the truth and the Light. no one not even your mother can live "a pure clean life". all have sinned and come short," but our Loving God has made a way! this course will help you to accept that gift. This morning Joyce said on her show " how discouraging it is to give some on a gift and they won't accept it" that is what we do when we don't accept God's forgiveness, for our selves. God wants to take your burdens, and carry them for you! to the cross and put them under the blood, and cast them in to the sea of forgetfulness, how many of us struggle to accept our own forgiveness, thus to love our neighbor as we love our selves, makes it difficult to forgive our neighbor when we can't even forgive ourselves. This course will help you to uncover the things you are holding on to, and the strongholds your upbringing has planted in you, and let them all go through forgiveness: of you mother, and who ever else wants to keep you under an impossible law. God doesn't say I will love you IF. He has put the laws, and commandments of happiness in the bible, the do's and don'ts are in there to guide and protect us, but His Love is always there, no matter what choices we make. He tells us: "I put before you Life, and Death", then he gives us the answer "choose Life" (It is an open book test) but if we don't He doesn't turn His back on us, we turn our back on Him, He is still there "Lo I am with you always" So turn around accept his forgiveness, and it will make life easier, for you, but Life happens to all of us. We can do the best we can and struggle, or we can let God "make straight our path". Stay in His Joy and accept each day as the best day of you life, stay in Peace and Enjoy God's gift of Salvation..

*Francesca* · Post by ***Francesca*** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:06 am

Depression is not a sin. Remember that Saint Paul was bi-polar and this was the thorn in his flesh that he talked about.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:25 am

Hello Emperor1,

In my opinion and reading scripture.....All of us have sinned.....not one soul breathing on this earth has not sinned daily. As Jesus stated in the bible...."He who has sinned not cast the first stone"?....What happened everyone walked away.......and Jesus being sinless did not even cast a stone.....

So as far as your Mother and Pastor may have told you they might want to repent themselves for judging you...Which is not there place if they want to go scripture with you. However the bible does clearly say "Fear Not" and "Be anxious for nothing". I believe it says that repeatively ..why? Because many of us would not get it the first time, the second time, nor the third......Thank God for the Gospels. It also says don't allow your flesh to run you in so many words yet many of us run for a donut or a cigarette..again not running to the word. So now you have this wonderful program to help you align to the word and not be tormented with anxiety/depression. But remember anxiety/depressions are emotions based on thoughts......watch your thoughts and watch how beautiful you blossom.......As far as the others let God deal with them accordingly...

Blessings Always

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:43 am

thank each and everyone of you. i didn't know i would meet so many nice and kind people here. nobody has ever understood like this before. i think my mother does have anxiety too. she is never happy and get's so quiet at times. i feel like she is angry with me always. thanks very much,emperor1

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:38 am

May I suggest Joyce Meyers Battlefield Of The Mind. I just started reading it and so far it is great!

estherbunny · Post by **estherbunny** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:56 am

nobody has ever understood like this before.

There are Christians who do understand and are compassionate, but there are also many Christians who don't understand and are uncaring, critical, and unloving.

I agree with McGrace. I think some of our suffering is of our own making. But, some of it is not. I was involved with a Christian ministry years ago in college. What I learned from these well meaning people was that performance was more important than being loving and compassionate. Their view of God was that He was more interested in how I performed and what I did ministry wise than loving me as an individual and allowing me to be who He created me to be.

I literally suffered spiritual abuse around these folks and it's taken its toll over the years. Even after experiencing God's presence during this ordeal and discipling an invidvidual as a result, it still wasn't good enough for them. Years later I tried to get back with these folks again because I respect how they live their lives. Nothing had changed. One person who I had always considered a friend told me that my faith was useless and quoted me the verse out of James which states that faith without works is dead. This crap while I was meeting in Bible studies with them weekly, meeting with God daily, sharing my faith with those who were receptive to it in my work.

I honestly don't know what goes through the minds of folks like this. I can not comprehend it. I would advise you to seek the fellowship of other Christians who have a more balanced and truthful view of Christ and scripture. There is also a book I would recommend. It's called "The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse - Recognizing and Escaping Spiritual Manipulation and False Spiritual Authority Within the Church" by David Jouhnson & Jeff VanVonderen.

In my Opinion, it's a sin to shoot the wounded.

Seek and rely upon Jesus Christ, not man, to guide you in your spiritual walk. Hebrews 8:10-12 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

Developing a love relationship with God through Christ is the most meaningful and important thing a person could ever do, in my opinion. I'm not talking about "playing Church". Seeking His love daily, experiencing that love, and as a result, desiring to return it by allowing Him full access to our lives and our actions. Not living by a code of conduct through self effort, but discovering how much God loves you through seeking HIm and meeting with Him and in gratitude living in that love daily. That's honestly what was happening to me when my friend told me my faith was useless.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:18 am

again, i want to thank everyone for the support. it has made me feel like i can go to work and maybe not be afraid. i am so afraid to go to work. i don't want to miss work.but it is just that i know i will have anxiety attack on the drive there. i have made a decision though. i am going to move into my own place. i've been thinking about it for a long time. i want to do the program alone. i did have my own place for a while. my mother and her friends wanted me to move back with her. i will get an efficency apt. i do read the word. emperor1

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri May 02, 2008 5:38 am

Depression/anxiety is not a sin any more than cancer is a sin.

I am a Christian, and I believe that as part of the Curse in Eden, sin affected every part of our human nature. Not just our bodies, but our minds and emotions as well. The idea that our bodies are susceptible to illness, but not our minds or emotions is ludicrous. We can get cancer in our brains, and that's okay, but if the chemicals that regulate how we feel don't work right, we're sinning? That is so not true.

epa · Post by **epa** » Fri May 02, 2008 6:06 am

I am coming to grip with the fact that I do need more faith but, my problems come from a lot of negative thoughts and what if anxiety. Prayer has been part of helping and I do see God working to lead me to books and other tools to help me. God gave Adam and Eve clothes to protect them (tools, per se). No one would suggest we not use clothes. Being transformed by the renewing of our minds is reprogramming.
I have just decided to try this program and leave the results to God. It could be the way He has provided. God bless you.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri May 02, 2008 6:07 am

Isabeau; sin affected every part of our human nature. Not just our bodies, but our minds and emotions as well.

I agree! We are all cursed, we all sin, and we are all savable. I would suggest to you the book, Deadly Emotions, to help you see how much our emotions, can make us sick, a broken bone, or a broken heart are both curable, we need bandages, and crutches for both of them to mend, in time. Exercise, Therapy, all very helpful, to mending what ever is broken, but to merely lay there and take drugs (bandage/crutch), will not mend either physical break, or mental breaks. We must work toward a cure, not just a patch, in either respect. This course does just that.
I just read a quote yesterday I also agree with, Depression is anger with no enthusiasm