The Challenge...Lesson 10

Are obsessive scary thoughts ruling your life? Do these thoughts seem beyond your control? Here’s how you can quickly address them and begin to feel better.
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Post by mcshope » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:32 am

Hi everybody!

It is good to see that everybody is back. I am back too.... :D

Christmas and New Year are finally done and over with. I love the Holidays, but it is a relief when it is over.

I have had a few ups and downs. I did not get any of the jobs, that made me feel a little dissappointed. I am back to searching for jobs.

I got sick yesterday, maybe a stomach bug or food poisining. I am feeling better today, however the anxiety went up again. I felt so anxious and frustrated. I am not sure when or how I made the connection between stomach problems and anxiety, but it just makes me feel hopeless.

I am ready to continue with the program. I agree with all of you, we are going to get better, we just hve to keep working on it.

I will take the time to read your posts and respond.

Thank you all for being here!!!!! :)

Hope
"Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its trouble, it empties today of its strength." – Unknown

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:19 am

Batman is an Alcoholic!

Karen L;

Sounds like you still have some obsessive thoughts around your X. How does these thoughts affect your life? Do you feel more empowered by them or less? How do they affect your relationships? Do they make you feel deeper levels of love, happiness, joy and excitement or less? What does it cost you to have these things in your life? What would your life be like if you didn't have these obsessive thoughts anymore?

I'm glad you have started back up with the lessons and the relaxation cd. They are very important things to overcoming this nasty condition.

You aren't the only person who has slacked off. I've slacked off alot myself. Tony Robbins has a good thing when it comes to exercising. He actually talks about incorporating time for gratitude and time for focusing on our goals just before working out and then using incantations about how you have everything inside yourself to achieve these goals and how you feel stronger everyday and in every way and that I personally find gives me alot more energy and motivation as well as enjoyment when I exercise and it sets up the rest of the day to be really awesome. You could totally try that out.

By the way great not giving into that manipulation tactic. Thats basically say I'm very desparate, I feel bad for what I've done and am feeling lonely. Here are a dozen flowers in order for us to get back together so I don't have to feel this way and I don't have to change and we can go back to all that pain and hurt all over again. If he hasn't really changed do you think it might actually play out that same way? Do you think getting with him again would help with your goals of overcoming your anxiety and depression or just hinder them and feed the anxiety and depression? The very suffering you are trying to overcome!

Forever young 06
Yeah I have been a little disatisfied with the lack of interactions in the forums myself and alot of that was within myself as I barely posted too. But that is likely to change now as it looks like people are becoming more motivated and myself too.

Start by giving yourself what you need in order to handle the limitations. Best place is with the relaxation cd as it helps to give you access to the resources of your brain to solve problems and make life work for you. Then you could go to lesson 1 or 2 of the program.


THH
You are a superstar! That is very inspiring that you are satisfied with your results. You've been feeling pretty motivated and have kept going on with your skills for a very long time now, even before we started the challenge. Thats definately something to be proud about.

Thank you for the positive supportive words. Thank Tony Robbins with this motivation, I just took his idea and yes it is very motivating.

Wow when i read your comment about cracking a small hole in a wall and was looking out the first thing I thought was you are such a pervert hahaha. I hope there aren't any obscene things going on in that other room your looking into :P just kidding. I think thats really awesome that you are destroying that limiting wall.

I think another week of this week. I want to make sure we have the motivation and actually go through this lesson before we go onto the next one. This one is very important and I"m assuming we lost the message of it and the program for a little while now.

Good luck with the perfection stuff.


Mike
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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:28 am

Karen L

Awesome I'm glad you listened to lesson 10! You have gotten one of those ah-ha moments and those can give us such amazing positive feelings and motivation! This in turn helps you access the resources of the mind in order to make some amazing change and get amazing results! Did you want to play around with some of your obsessive thoughts and turn them into something funny? You have a really good sense of humor, we can come up with some really awesome stuff.

Wow! That must have been very diffcult for you to have your X show up! He tried to manipulate you and you didn't go for it, great job!!!

mcshope;

Is there anything you can do in order to make yourself more attractive as an employee? I mean more attractive as a candidate for employment? Would appearing more confident help you out more? Would asking more questions and getting more curious about the job in the interview help out more? How about if you were more calm in the interview? How about if you were able to enjoy the interview more would that affect the outcome of the interview? What if you were able to encourage yourself more before and while at the interview, could that help get the outcome you want?


Mike
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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:00 am

Alright here is a ton of information from what I've been working on.

The last big thing I was working on was my values and beliefs and well I had learned you can change aroudn what you value most in life in order to make it work more for you and then you can change your beliefs about those things in order to achieve the values easier or make it harder to achieve the negative values so here is my old list of values and my new list and why I choose the order I did.

Old values
1)SEcurity
2)Success
3)Happiness
4)Freedom
5)Contribution/Making a diffrence
6)REspect
7)Joy/excitement
8)Love
9)Passion
10)Health
11)Growth
12)Adventure

This made me value security over everything else and most of my activities involved security and I spent much more time doing things that were going to make me feel safe and avoided things that would make me feel happy and love. It was a prison that kept me from enjoying life as it made me overly cautious.

New Values
1)Health
2)Intelligence
3)Love
4)Honesty
5)Courageousness/Confidence
6)Cheerful
7)Outrageous
8)Happy/Fun
9)Greatful
10)Passion
11)Contribution
12)Determination
13)Creativity
14)Making a diffrence
15)Success
16)Adventure


The Breakdown!
1)Health
-Good health means I can function well. Without health I have nothing. If i'm sick I can't give to others, I can't accomplish things and I'm therefore useless. Great health is great results on everything, more joy, more happiness, less stress. Less pain and pressure as well as more clarity.

2)Intelligence
-Important to amek the decisions of where to go in life, when to do things and when not to. This determines the best possible path to go. Without it my passion could take me the wrong direction, I could make myself look very foolish and waste my time. It also helps me make the best possible choice for everybody and not just a choice that will cause someone to like or love me.

3)Love
-I use my knowledge and good health to focus on doing the best for others and to help magify good feelings. In this position, I take the feelings of others into consideration and don't become very conceeded and egotistical. It also helps me to accept others but under intelligence so I am being considerate but not enabling destructive behavior and manipulation.

4)Honesty
-I want the intelligence when to tell the truth and when not to but the love in order to tell the other person in the most considerate way.

5)Courageousness/Confidence
-I will have the courage and confidence to express the love I feel and the intelligence to express it in a way that magnifies positivity. I will have the courage to let myself express emotions and be myself because the love will give me the acceptance to be who I am with my strengths and weaknesses. I'll have the confidence I need in myself and in my ability that I'll be able to handle any situation that arises from allowing myself to be myself and enjoy what I'm doing.

6)Cheerful
-I let others know that I'm friend and I spread the love I have inside to the world around me. This allows me to be myself and to attract more people like me as well as a romantic relationship. I use intelligence and love to determine when its appropriate to be cheerful and how I can use it to help others. I have the courage to be cheerful and the confidence in handling any negativity that I might encounter as a result of cheerfulness.

7)Outrageousness
-After cheerful but before fun as I don't want my outrageousness to be dependant on fun but it being able to create fun. After cheerful because I can use the cheerfulness to create outrageousness.

8)Fun/Happy
-With the energy and health, wisdom, love, courageousness, confidence and cheerfulness I can increase the joy in my life without fear of criticims, rejectiona dn judgement. The more joy I have the more I can love, give, appreciate, understand and respect. The more fun I have the more passion I can create in myself.

9)Greatful/Appreciative
-I appreciate all that I have. I appreciate the health, intelligence, love, people in my life and the things I can do to increase the quality of life. This makes me enjoy everything more including the fun. It gives me a deep appreciation for life and gives rise to passion.

10)Passion
-I have the energy and health to fuel myself for passion feelings, I have the intelligence to use this powerful force along with the courageousness and confidence to project and express it. I further power it with enjoyment through fun and happiness and greatfulness. When I'm greatful, loving and intellignet then I use this powerful force for good and not to get the upper hand or bring someone down.

11)Contribution
-I use the powerful energy I have with the wisdom and love to give to others in the best way I can and i have the nergy to drive me from passion and the appreciation of haivng the opportuniyt to enjoy the experience even more.

12)Determination
-I have the determination and intelligence to respond in the most respectful way. Mixed with love, I have the determination to respond in a way that will benefit the most along with the courageousness and confidence in my ability to do so.

13)Creativity
-Having the creativity, mixed with love, intelligence and health will allow me to come up with answers to any problem. Courageousness, confidence and determination will help me put the ideas into play and love will help me do it in a way that takes people's feelings into consideration. It also keeps me coming up with new ways to handle situations if something doesn't work and many ideas to help make a diffrence in the world.

14)Making a diffrence
-I'd have the energy from health, gratitude, passion and fun, the wisdom from intelligence, the love helps with doing the best for the world, the determination to do the impossible and make it possible as well as the creativity to create a way to make a diffrence in a way that will be attractive enought ot have a huge effect.

15)Success
-I have everything I need from the other values to succeed but this will amke sure I put my efforts into doing my best to making it work out and I will enjoy my accomplishments more.

16)Adventure
-After everything else is in working order and I feel good about my contribution and have the financial backing and feel I need some time to just get away and take a vacation then I can go do that or some other very diffrent activity.


This New value list gives me what I need in order to do my best and have the best impact that I can.



Mike
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Post by THH » Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:01 pm

Hello all,
I may not be posting very much in the up coming days. My cousin who is only 37 is now in hospice care. It is going to be very said when she passes.( Her mom is not ready to let her go)I think it will be soon. All my Aunts & Uncles are 70+ so this will be very hard. I'm hoping I am together enough for the challange I will certianly let you know! I feel very sad for her, but I also know really her life is over and I pray for a peaceful passing. She has had cancer for the past 10 years and fought a fierce battle. She is to be admired for all that she has been though. I think I am as prepared as one can be.

Hope,
Glad your back too! Too bad on the jobs, maybe there is one that you will want that is much better!
I'm glad your feeling better too. The flu is going around so you could of had that. I am not a good sick person either. I'm hoping that I will handle it better.
Thank You for being here too! :)

Mike,
I am proud. I know when I am in balance now, I also know I must keep working on so many things as they are not a habit as of yet. It is a choice that I have to make. One day it may come more second nature to me.
But for now encouragement and to keep challenging myself is what I need to keep doing.
You have been very much a major support person for me and have spent time on helping me untangle my thoughts. I thank you! :)
LOL... My peep hole, being a perv! lol... I sure hope I don't see anything crazy in that room! I'll be back at lesson 1...LOL... What could it be? Is it scary? Will it change my coarse? LOL...NO its freedom! More air, more space and wonderful possibility's! ( Its my room, lol )

I'll probably visit that perfectionism one again. :D

You have been busy! I'm still working on my New Values. I too have put
#1 Health
#2 Gratitude
#3 Love
I will post when I complete my list.

I like what you have done. You need to be very proud of your accomplishments as well! :)

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Post by Karen L » Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:09 pm

up n down day for me today, as I kind of expected it would be...but I did deal with it well.....was able to get over the anxious moments and get a few things done to stay busy to avoid the depression...I did find myself a few times in my obsessive scary thoughts but was able to redirect myself to my present situation pretty quickly....listened to the tape twice more today....went to the store which I have been avoiding for a few days....so all in all I would say today was a success :)

Hope

sorry to hear about the jobs.....but there will be more and I believe that you just have to trust that there was a reason...Im sure there is a much better fit for you out there :)

my anxiety always goes up when Im not feeling well.....dont feel hopeless and frustrated, at least you recognize the connection, which is a big positive :)

hope you feel better


Mike

omg do you know the questions to ask to bring me quickly back into a reality check lol....must admit, I have really missed that :)
these obsessive thoughts about my ex only affect my life in a negative way, in every aspect....they do not do me one bit of good...thanks for pointing that out..big, big point :)

and thanks so much for acknowledging my triumph over not giving in to his sleazy manipulation tactics!! I did not even see that!! that is a big positive I should be praising myself over :) thanks!!

he is definitely a hinderence to my recovery :)

playing with our scary obsessive thoughts and changing them into something funny would be good....lets see...a scary obsessive thought for me would be getting anxious while sitting at a red light behind another car and being afraid Im going to run my car into theirs to push them out of my way so I can run.....oh there are alot of funnies that can go with that lol :)

what an awesome list of values Mike!! you really seem to be getting them in good and healthy order!! kudos to you :)
I wish you really could see what a positive person you are and how much joy and laughter you bring to others :) especially that comment to THH about her peep hole lol....you had me dying over here lol :D


THH

Im sorry and you take care....it is a tough place in life to be, but you do seem to be dealing in a very healthy and normal way....you and your cousin are in my prayers....

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Post by Paisleegreen » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:05 pm

THH--That is pretty amazing how you kept your old boyfriend out of your house. Good Job and good illustration. Wow!

MsHope--I'm sorry about you not getting the jobs you wanted. Hang in there...

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Fri Jan 07, 2011 7:28 pm

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All
There are going to be times where you lose your motivation. If you can come up with questions that make you look at what you lose by not following through and what you gain by following through, you can remotivate yourself. My suggestion would be to copy out those questions I posted at the beginning of this year and go through them either every 2 weeks or if you start to feel the motivation start to fall or you become very doubtful and discouraged with yourself. This is what you may want to do when trying to change any habit or belief and replace it with something new that is more beneficial.

THH

Sorry about your cousin :(

Your very welcome and I'm happy to have been apart of your journey! I'm also happy that I can share my insight with others.

Ha I thought you'd like the perv thing. If you open the hole up more and more, you might find the end of the rainbow and a mean obnoxious lepracaun.

My advice for the list. Just put something down on paper and then revise it instead of trying to do it the "right" way. I think I wasted many hours doing it that way. I found that it really started to come together after I asked myself why it would be important to place these values in the order I have. Thats when I really started to eliminate, add and restructure my list to better suit me. I also found that some of the values worked together so I placed them together. I am pretty proud of my accomplishments, thank you.

Karen L
What happened just before the obsessive thoughts?

I'm getting better at asking these questions. I think it got alot better once i figured out my values and started to take a good look at my beliefs and how they affect my life. If I were you I'd actually write those questions down and use them when you start to go back into that old thought pattern.

You said you actually felt sorry for the guy. What has this guy done to you?
How many times has he manipulated you?
How many times has he really considered your feelings?
How many times has he actually done something for you just for the sake of doing it and not in order to get something in return?
How many times has he used you as an excuse not to change?
How has he treated you for the most part since you've known him?
How disrespectful was it to use flowers to manipulate you into getting back with him?
Was he respecting your feelings and actually talking about working through problems or did he just want you to forgive him and forget about the past?
He's done all these things and you feel bad for him?

Your right he is a huge hindrance! You deserve to have a happy life and him being apart of your life will keep you from achieving this. It'll steal away your potential moments of positivity and replace them with misery. Even the thought of him does that to you!
How many minutes, hours or even weeks have been ruined because of it?
Has it empowered you or disempowered you?
Has it made you more clear minded or more overwhelmed?
Has it helped you make better quality decisions or lesser quality decisions?
How has it affected your energy level? Has it given you more energy or taken more away?
Has it enhanced your feelings of self-worth or has it made you feel more worthless?
Does it help you in your goals or does it push you further away from achieving your goals?
Does it allow you to experience deeper feelings of joy, love, happiness, excitement and satisfaction or does it take away from it?

Well was thinking more of the X thing for the obsessive thoughts but we can work on the car thing. First of all I'd definately imagine it to be bumper cars. Second I think I would make the driver of the car some kinda cartoon character like pookaroo. Maybe you hit him out of the way kind of like in a game of curling and you hit him right out of the center and you slide in his place winning the game. He jumps out of his car and starts swearing at you but of course he is pookaroo so all he can say is pookaroo. Not knowing what he is saying you take it as a compliment and you hug him and he gets so angry he turns red and then explodes and then it rains skittles or m&ms...maybe candy corn or men. HOw do you think you would feel if you said that to yourself or imagined it everytime you got into that situation? Would you still be able to feel anxious?

Thank you, that list took me many hours to create because I kept trying to do it the "right" way instead of just putting something on paper and then continue to revise it...well I did do that after I got frustrated but it took many hours to get frustrated enough.

Ha you read that comment I posted for THH eh? I'm glad you liked it.


Mike
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Post by THH » Sat Jan 08, 2011 1:05 pm

Hello everyone. I am tired today, lots of thinking the past couple days. Thank you for your thoughts & prayers for cousin & me. I have talk to every family member in the past couple days, so stressful.
I have been thinking lots about beliefs the past few days and it has been helpful to me.
My cousin is very comfortable! Who knows anything?! So far so good.
I started to obsess over my own health being around so many health problem people. I remembered many things that are a new way of thinking for me, like:
My way of thinking is not the only way. I can sit back and let other people do what they normally would do, and not feel like I have to fix something. ( give advise, get them more help ) Its not me that has to solve the problems that everyone faces. I don't have to jump in and try to make everything better.
I can be a person they can talk to. I can have nothing to say and its is alright. I can go get lunch, I can offer a ride to someone. I can be there and offer support if ask.
This is freeing to me.
Another thing is there is no emergency! I am not sure how I got programed to think everything is a crisis! Strange thing is after listening to relaxation tape so many times you really can do much of it with out the tape!

I also visited the wanting to do the right thing. There is no "right thing". I needed to think of how I felt and what I wanted to do. My touch so to speak. Whether its is appreciated or not it don't matter!it is my contribution and I feel good about it. One day at a time!

Mike,
I am glad to see you here! I miss reading your post. I was having a Mike "moment" asking my self questions. Haha! What would Mike ask? So I did come up with enough questions to save myself from getting in obsessive circular thinking! Thanks! :D
Thanks for the tip too on writing down and not thinking now what is #1 and #2 so no... write them and then organize. Thank you. ( the right way) ( perfect!)
P.S. That Batman clip was really funny! Esp. in the pub singing Sweet Caroline! haha!

Karen,
Thank you for caring. :) I also read Mikes reply to you and I really liked the questions. If it is too much for you to read at this time, write them down and refer back when your more ready. At some point these questions really helped me get more in touch with "ME" and what I think. It seams I had not been paying that much attention to me. Just answering a few really helped soften how I was feeling about certain things.
You sound like your working through things well. Good girl! :)

Paislee,
It was hard, and messed with me. Its hard to make changes! You never know when your doing the right things sometimes.
How are you doing these days? I read another post you wrote in the spirituality section. Good job on holding your own! That other guy seams kind of aggressive.(to me) I jumped out! LOL... ;)

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Sat Jan 08, 2011 4:16 pm

THH

Yes it must be very hard for you right now. I understand the mindset you must have right now with the obsessive thoughts. I'm not suprised if you'd be getting obsessive that is to say if you are afraid. Perhaps your mind does not want to deal with the outcome of your cousin passing away? Maybe that is why you are obsessing about your own health and the emergency thoughts too. Is this a possiblity?

I know saying don't worry is useless but what do you think would be most beneficial to your cousin right now? Would worrying make you feel more comfortable around your cousin and make you enjoy the time you still have or will it steal your focus away from the moments with your cousin? This might sound strange but it is something my shiatsu instructor said to one of his terminally ill clients who was just about to die of cancer. He had said everything is going to be ok. It was strange but its true if you think of it. The client was being taken care of by nurses and a doctor and was very comfortable and if you believe that the person will be relieved of pain and be in a better place after then in essence everything will be ok. Of course it won't take the cancer away or the body symptoms but it can help to calm the person down and enjoy the time they have left. So laugh, talk about exciting things, eat foods with your cousin the foods your cousin enjoys the most. Give as much of your love in there and don't let your fear and worry take away from what you can give.

The only perception that can affect you is yours so yes it really doesn't matter if what you do is appreciated or not. As long as you appreciate it, thats all that really matters.

Awesome. The question thing really helps out alot. This is actually how mental health practitioners work. They mostly ask questions to help guide people to figure things out, its easier for them to accept what they come up with as opposed to being told. Plus it can also give self-esteem too. Funny how thats deemed a "Mike" moment!

What questions did you come up with?

Glad you liked the Batman clip. I still got many more to come!


Mike
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