The Challenge...Lesson 10

Are obsessive scary thoughts ruling your life? Do these thoughts seem beyond your control? Here’s how you can quickly address them and begin to feel better.
THH
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Post by THH » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:06 am

Hey Gang!
I'm glad to see everyone still posting. I like you all, am doing alright. :) I am really watching my expectations, people even family (lol) are always going to be the same people. It does not mean that I am right with my thoughts on things, I can hear their thoughts and ideas and give things a chance, instead of taking everything personal and linking it to the last 5 conversations and making it 10 times more than even what it is???! This has been good for me.

Mike,
It really is amazing timing as with all the up coming family time it could be dreadful! I feel a sense of peace, as I have some better understanding of things and I feel empowered as this is a Newfound freedom. I find myself actually excited to be with my "clan" and celebrate Love! It defiantly is a up shot of energy!

Calgon is a water treatment company. Years ago they had ads on TV. The company would show women who had bad days, to pour these "salts" in your bath and escape into this magical place. It really is nice if your a bath person as the water is so slippery and they put fragrance in it so it smells nice too.

I also have enjoyed hearing about values & beliefs. This too is a good topic for me and will want to revisit this area after Christmas. I have not had time to do the works yet.

To everyone,
I wish you peaceful days, joy and excitement in your lives, and satisfaction to know you can do it! Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!! :)

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Post by forever young 06 » Wed Dec 22, 2010 12:10 am

mike, thanks for answering my post.A lot of people don't respond and therefore you take it personelly.wow that is who we are wearing our feelings on our shoulders. I am trying to keep up with you guys in the program but am just listening to the tapes not doing the work book nor the relaxing tape. Wanting to get well with out having to do the work ha ha. I am angry at myself I have buried my feelings to I don't know how I feel what I want so I need to do some deep digging. I work so being with people is not one of my issues, I could do anything if I could get there I am areail bound . I can only drive to the small town I live close to and work this is about 13 miles which isn't bad. but I can't go 5 miles in another directions and some areas even with someone driving me. How did I get to be such a mess. I am venting and having a pitty party too. sorry hope I'm not raining on anyones parade . this is Christmas a time of joy I have a lot to be thankful for a wonderful daughter and son inlaw a beautiful grand daughter. I will enjoy them my job is very stressful and the boss is horrible and I wish I could quit but insurance has me stuck there my husband retired early from his job his insurance is on mine and he has a heart condition so I can't just buy him a plan also we are older the plans would cost around 1,200.00 dollars a month so much for the health care reform it did't help us I get so angry at the greedy system. sorry just venting

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:52 am

Optical Illusion Girlfriend!

mcshope;
Niacin event?

Karen L;
What kind of issues? Were you trying to run a hide from yourself?

Paisleegreen;
I get that venting is important, I get that you need to get all that tension and stress out as well as the concentration issues and yeah Christmas and holidays can take up alot of energy and focus and time! I'm glad you are feeling better. Lets talk more about this after christmas!


THH;
Thats a good realization. People may go about life the same way however if you change your response to those people in turn they would have to change how they respond to you and I think that is a deeper desire beyond the expectations you are talking about, don't you think so?

Very amazing how you feel this freedom and have given up some of the worry and dread, and it gets replaced with love and excitement..Wonderful!

I might have heard of this Calgon now that you explained it. Thank you for explaining it.

It is an amazing thing this Values and Beliefs stuff. I've been working on it every day since I learned about it. I'm changing around my values in order to make the biggest impact and working with my beliefs. I started to mesh diffrent things. I would make myself disturbed and then was asking questions to figure out what would have to happen or what would I have to believe in order to feel the negative feelings, I replaced those and started to use them as affirmations but was unsatisfied. I lose some of that motivation and then i though ok we are motivated by pain and pleasure, how can I incorporate that into the affirmations so I am simultaneously linking pain to the old belief and pleasure to the new one. I then realized I can start it off by figuring out what does it cost me the most, what is the most painful thing that would result from believing the old belief, then I can replace the belief with something more rational and possibly say what the new belief would do for me. Having this and listening to it everyday sounds like it would be very helpful but i'm still working on how to keep the affirmation scripts not too long. I may look for themes, we'll see how that works. I am almost done my values and beliefs for the positive values and will post them after christmas!

Also I have decided I'm going to go to the source and work through my beliefs and what has to happen in order for me to feel pain itself! It feels like that would be very beneficial, can you see how it might be? IE turning the criticism from a painful experience into one that is empowering.

forever young 06
What do you mean alot of people don't respond? Like they have responded to you?

Well I can tell that you are intelligent as you know that overcoming the anxiety and depression involves doing the work in the workbook and the relaxation tape. Why do you think you aren't following through on the work? If you did know the answer then what could you do to change it? If you did know how you were feeling, what would you do about it?

I wouldn't worry too much about rainning on anybody's parade. If people can't handle reading this stuff before christmas then they likely won't read it. It's their responsibility to choose what they are willing to do if they are feeling good or not.

Last few days
So I've been continually working on the Tony Robbins things and am making progress with this, I am currently working on my positive value beliefs and figuring out all my rules for the negative values. Its gotten really intresting and I have gotten frustrated alot trying to do it the "right" way and so i've just decided i'm going to do it the way I think is most beneficial to me. It is taking alot of time to do but well I've already found remarkable improvement from changing around my guilt beliefs so I know its worth doing. I'll be posting what i've done after christmas.

Merry Christmas or Happy HOlidays if you don't celebrate christmas!

MIke
Here is the link to the Letting Go thread which is designated for venting
http://forum.stresscenter.com/viewtopic ... 52&t=25087

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Post by mcshope » Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:01 am

Merry Christmas!
Happy Holidays!

I wish everybody is having a great time.

Hope
"Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its trouble, it empties today of its strength." – Unknown

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Post by forever young 06 » Sat Dec 25, 2010 3:02 pm

Merry Christmas,
to all what a wonderful time of year.Now to get ready for 2011. It has been wonderful had fun today with my grand daughter she is a doll.
ninjafrodo I think I am lazy and don't want to do the work. I want to snap my fingers and get over it I don't like living like this but I have for a long time it is a part of me but I don't like it or do I not even know who I am I hide my feelings stick my head in the sand, pretend I am okay and sure don't want know one to know the real me would think I was crazy. need to do some soul searching find out if I really want to do the work to get better and start toward that goal. Hope every one had a nice Christmas and ready to get back to working on getting out of this maze we have found ourselves in by our on making.

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Post by Paisleegreen » Mon Dec 27, 2010 4:07 pm

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too, forever young! Plus you other wonderful people over here. I just thought I would comment to Forever Young on what she posted. I just have to smile at what you posted...so true it is going to take some work...ugh...I know I don't anyone to think I'm crazy. LOL! I think my children think so...well, not exactly, I'm just the Mom and what do I know...:D Well this will be fun to come back to next year. ;) Paislee

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Post by THH » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:29 pm

Hi everyone. I trust that everyone had a Merry Christmas! So much work and in such a few hours its done!
I had the gang all at my house. I must admit that I felt very nervous even though it was just family. Mostly getting everything set up, ( our house is small, fitting 10 people in here is always a trick) Having the food ready and drinks and place to put gifts is always a challenge. Plus I have my two labs. They were very good! I tried to think of why I was feeling so tense and could not put a thought to it. So I really watched my sugar intake, my smoking, took alot of deep breaths, read my carry cards. ( esp. Week 12: I will breathe though my discomfort & I have all the time I need. Also Feelings are not facts!) ( I did start to get obsessive thoughts like my sinuses were bothering me and that makes my teeth hurt, and I thought it might be a tooth going bad.) That is always a scary thought for me.
I did piece together that it was a distraction for me and a way to work myself up and get all rattled. I'm not sure what my secondary gain would be from such thoughts, but either way I worked through it by doing the above and it turned out good. I was finished by 1:00 am cleaning up and putting things back. I was over tired and really did not want to do all the work. But I enjoyed having everyone here and was glad they are all around to be here. It was a good party and I did good enough.
I'm still not sure why I go to the scary thoughts. I must have to work on that more.

Mike,
Yes! By staying focused and not falling for all the little things that normally would get a rise from me, my thoughts were just not in the same place. In turn I dealt differently then my usual ways. It does feel good.
Yes, I can see how turning a painful experience into one that is empowering! Good!

It is a work in progress! For me anyhow, I want to move forward. I want to think positive thoughts, I am trying to make the best of each day! Some days mountain tops, others baby steps!
Well Happy, Healthy New Year to everyone!
:) :) :)

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Post by mcshope » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:58 pm

Going crazy here at home... a lot to do. I will have some chance to catch up on Thursday.
I hope everybody is doing good.
:)
Hope
"Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its trouble, it empties today of its strength." – Unknown

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:14 am

4 Loko, Energy Drink!!!

To ALL
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years!

Ok so we've been doing the challenge for probabbly around 15 weeks already and we started off going really strong in the beginning. We talked about facing our limitations and using the skills and it was really wonderful! We were taking action and we were getting results and that was really great and you should all be proud of that but where did that go?

Personally I haven't felt very satisfied with how the challenge has been going, I also haven't been satisified with the level of effort I was putting towards the skills either. I am determined to make 2011 diffrent!

Do any of you feel satisfied with the level of effort you are putting into overcoming this condition? Or into using the skills?

[I really want you to take a hard look at these questions and be really honest with yourself. If the answers bother you then good, I hope they do bother you enough that your brain says enough! And you become more motivated to change! The brain will want to change if you truely aren't satisfied and you are willing to look at it in its entirety! If you think that you should avoid this because its too painful then I want you to think which pain is more...the pain you are going to get by not taking action or the pain you will get by looking at your pain. To put it more in perspective which is more horrible for you? several minutes of pain or decades of consistently increasing pain? Would you rather wait for a very serious tragedy, terminal illness or loss of a very significant relationship in order to motivate you or would you rather answer a few questions and get the motivation now?]

Is living the way you are right now satisfactory to you?

Is living the way you are right now going to help you achieve all your dreams and become the person you always wanted to be?

Is it creating more joy, excitement, passion, love, success and passion or is it creating more misery and suffering?

Does how you live right now increase and enhance your mental, physical and financial health or does it hinder it?

Does it enhance your relationships with others as well as yourself and create deeper and stronger feelings of love?

Is living the way you are now enhance your ability to feel positive or does it enhance your ability to feel negative?

Is how you live right now going to create a brighter future and create positive long term effects or will it lead to a darker, more miserable future and create more negative long term effects?

Will living the way you are in life right now going to increase your feelings of worth, your self-esteem, self-respect and self-confidence or is it going to make you feel more worthless and make you look down on yourself and your abilities?

Is living the way you are now creating more accomplishments and increasing your ability to contribute and enhance the quality of what you do or does it take away from it?

What will your life be like if you continued to live the way you are now for another 5 years? Will you be more satisfied or less satisfied?

What will your life be like in 10 years if you continued to live the same way and not change at all? What goals and dreams would you have had to give up?

If you continued to live your life for 20 more years living the way you are now what will your life be like? Who would not be in your life anymore? What kind of health problems would you be having?

Does it create more suffering or pleasure in the short term?

Is it going to create more suffering or pleasure in the long term?

Are you now satisfied with how you are living right now or do you want to change it?


If you realize that change is something you want now then I highly recommend you use the challenge in order to share your experiences with the skills, with facing your limitations and with the action assignments in the workbook. This opportunity may never come again! This opportunity can be one of the best if you truely want to overcome this condition as quick as possible and if you let it go well then you may not move along as fast and have the same support when you finally decide that now is the time you change your life.

I love you guys and I wish the best for you and want you to be happy but because of secondary gains in which giving people attention for their suffering can enable people, I from now on will not respond to posts unless they are about facing a limitation, working with skills, working with the action assignments or anything that is actually going to help overcome the anxiety and depression. You are all free to still vent or post whatever you like and I do not want to make you feel like you shouldn't do that. I just want you to know how I will choose to respond and I you deserve to know why just like you all deserve to have wonderful lives! Everyone of you who reads this deserves to have a wonderful life and I am more concerned with helping people achieve this instead of being nice and I place more importance on this instead of being a nice guy and trying not to hurt feelings.

I will still post my experiences and the things that I'm learning and I will still post videos and fun things and such. I still want to put my heart into my posts and be myself (which by the way is greatly changed!)

I do hope everybody understands me and to not end on a painful note I want to ask more questions.

How would your life be like if you continued to use the skills you learn from the program on a daily basis?

How would they enhance your relationships? Would they create a potential for deeper feelings of love or take away from it?

How would living with the skills from the program affect your self-esteem and self-image? Would you feel better about yourself or worse?

How would practicing using the relaxation cd on a daily basis effect your stress level? Would you be able to tolerate more stress or less?

How would using the relaxation cd effect your sleep? Would it potentially create a better quality of sleep?

How would using the relaxation cd affect your emotions? Would it potentially enhance your ability to feel the positive emotions or hinder it? Would it potentially increase your ability to work through and handle the negative feelings?

How would using the relaxation cd affect your ability to handle your limitations? Would it make you think clearer, make better decisions and potentially set you up for a better outcome or would it make you more spacy, make more mistakes and lead to a less favorable outcome?

How would using the skills affect your communication with others? Would you potentially be able to communicate better with others or worse?

Would living with the skills from the program help you to achieve your dreams or goals and become the person you want to be or would it work against your dreams and goals and work against your goal to become who you want to be?

Will living with the skills from the program make you feel more satisfied with life or less satisfied?

Will it create more hope or less?

Will living with the skills on a daily basis gain more respect from others or less?

Would living with the skills from the program create better relationships with your children or other family members?

Would living and using the skills from the program on a consistent basis make you more prepared to handle difficult situations or make it worse?

Would living and using the skills from the program on a daily basis potentially increase your mental, phyisical or financial health or hinder it.

What would your life be like if you continued to live with the skills from the program on a daily basis for 5 years?

Would would it be like in 10 years? What would have you accomplished because of it?

Would would it be like if you lived your life with the skills on a daily basis for 20 years? How much respect would you have? What kinds of people would you surround yourself with? What kinds of things would you say to yourself? What dreams would you accomplish? What kind of person would you be?


So what outcome do you really want? Would you rather go down that path that you saw after answering the first set of questions or would you rather go down the path that you see after the 2nd set of questions?

You deserve to feel happy and enjoy life to its best don't you?


Mike
Here is the link to the Letting Go thread which is designated for venting
http://forum.stresscenter.com/viewtopic ... 52&t=25087

You can follow me on Twitter, same username or check out my blog

http://ninjafrodo.blogspot.com/

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:19 am

THH

Thats great you were able to think about and use the skills you learned in the program at such a challenging time. Thats pretty awesome! You also noticed obsessive thoughts come up, good insight. Do you think maybe you could have got obsessive in an attempt to avoid the idea of failure or things not turning out right? Maybe a bit of perfectionistic attitude there?

That is a wonderful ecard video! Thank you for sharing it with us!


Mike
Here is the link to the Letting Go thread which is designated for venting
http://forum.stresscenter.com/viewtopic ... 52&t=25087

You can follow me on Twitter, same username or check out my blog

http://ninjafrodo.blogspot.com/

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