The Challenge...Lesson 10

Are obsessive scary thoughts ruling your life? Do these thoughts seem beyond your control? Here’s how you can quickly address them and begin to feel better.
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THH
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Post by THH » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:51 pm

Hope,
Way to go with all your interviews! Sounds very good on your part. It takes time and I hope the right job for you shines much brighter so you know the one to take. ;)

Ahhhh family's! There is always one that causes so many problems! For me I like to write about things like this it is a good release.
I know that time seams to deal with these situations. There is no easy way out, that is for sure. But I have seen many many times in my life where things do work out eventually. I just want and feel the need to sometimes "try to make" things right. That is not the best thing for me so I have counted on time to resolve many issues. This just maybe one of them?
:)

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Post by Paisleegreen » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:34 pm

THH wrote--"Yes I celebrate Christmas. I never had kids but the kid in me is still there! Its different for me & my husband now, mostly because we are all getting older. His parents are gone, and mine are here but getting older, no one can hear,we help them up and down our steps. It is like a brochure for a nursing home here! LOL... Our dogs are the only young ones! LOL... Big Grin
I'm just glad they are here and all the crazy stuff that goes with them. Did anyone ever see Chevy Chase Christmas vacation??? I love that show and watch it every year. It takes the edge off. We all want the perfect Christmas dinner, tree, gifts and it is what it is every year! As long as my Aunt don't wrap the cat up in the box were good! LOL..."

Hi THH--I love Chevy Chase! And Christmas Vacation! LOL! :D I even got my DD and I a t-shirt one year for Christmas time that had a white fluffy cat biting into the string of Christmas lights! That part always cracks me up...:D partly because cats are so funny and we've had our share of them. :p

Oh, and you describing your home as a brochure for the Rest Home...funny...:D I love it! :)
I for awhile thought I was going to have DFIL come live with us. I think I would be in the funny farm if that were to happen. :eek:

I've always cared about old people all my life, but DFIL can't hear either, and he doesn't bathe, and he is stubborn, so he and I would probably lock horns. I would do my best to be patient, and I probably would survive...but he wants to be where he was practically born and raised...in his Grandfather's house.

This will probably be where he'll die as well. He's ready to move on...that's what he tells my DD. Bless his heart...he is a good man...with his own personality and quirks that make him unique. ;) He is getting a cane for Christmas from my SILs, if it were me, I would give the cane to him right now, I'm just sayin...;)

Lindalee
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Post by Lindalee » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:39 pm

hello everyone,

I wrote a long post and then lost it, this is a new computor and I lost my post somehow. Now its late and I'm tired so I'll just say I'm still here, still working the program with the group. Thanks everyone for keeping the group going,

I have applied for 3 jobs, but haven't heard anyting yet. I start college on line tomorrow to finnish my nursing degree.
I have been driving on the highway once a week, but always the same section of road to my horse back riding lesson. I know I need to add and change it up.

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Post by Paisleegreen » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:10 am

Hi Lindalee--I'm sorry you lost your posting, I hate that when that happens! Very frustrating, but things are much better as computers and being online is better. I still have written a long letter or posting just to have it delete accidently by something I did. We'll still be here when you can get back to posting.

That's great about you finishing your nursing degree online. I finished my B.S. degree the old fashion way, home study! ;) Education sure has become easier to get due to the Internet!

When I had returned to college years ago, a young couple tried to help me use a Word Processor at the time. Boy, that was a whole new things. It was probably a computer that did word processing. Anyway, it was a whole new world for me. I did get introduced to Memory Type writers at a Business Office vo-tech school and then some Data Entry.

That was quite the experience, so when I did go back to school at least I had that under my belt. So it is amazing how things have changed in the past 20 years or so. :) Paislee

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Post by Paisleegreen » Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:45 am

Mike--I've finally caught on to the questions you were asking THH and her answers. They came from the cards she posted, right?

So you were asking our belief systems that cause us to get stressed because of them. Believing that something has to be a certain way because we learned a "belief system" that warrants it?

Am I getting this right? :) Paislee

mcshope
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Post by mcshope » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:31 pm

Hello everybody,

Just a quick note to let you know that I made it to my 2nd interview today. It was 1 and a half hour drive each way. I had some anxiety, but it went away once I got there.
The interview went fine, now I have to keep waiting... 2 or 3 weeks before they make a decision.
I am tired now, I just wanted to share this with you... I know I couldn't do it without your support. Love you all. :D
Hope
"Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its trouble, it empties today of its strength." – Unknown

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Post by Paisleegreen » Wed Dec 08, 2010 4:12 pm

Yippee! Oh, Hope that is super! I'm proud of you on your driving such a distance in Illinois! You Go Girl! :D Love right back at ya! :) Paislee

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:57 am

This is just stupid funny!


Mcshope;
12 hours is a long drive especially if you have anxiety over it, that could be difficult.

She sounds like a very nutty sister-in-law!!! I used to be like her in my teenage years actually so I can understand the mentality. She must spend alot of time feeling attacked, insecure and angry. How has this lady offended everybody? She honestly sounds like one of us but many many stages behind us in the anxiety and depression topic. It sounds like he is going to have a hard time with her anyways. Sometimes walking on eggshells gets too frustrating and we just give up, we're going to offend the person no matter what we say. Its almost like the person chooses to be offended and there definately is choice involved. What do you mean that them having it mexico city means its not going good?

Congratulations on doing the 2nd interview and facing the anxiety! Now for the dreaded waiting, so frustrating!

Paisleegreen;

Excuses! That walking around in the living room in one place sounds so very boring! Not to mention you are looking at all the things you have to do vs the benefits so of course you aren't going to be very motivated to do it. That would demotivate anybody. Its like having all the food you have to eat in your entire life just sitting in front of you. Would that motivate you to eat the food? By the way the Jacuzzi sounds like it would be a nice "reward" for your efforts! What could you do to make exercising more enjoyable? Could you add music? Can you do it with someone else? Can you add incantations or visualizations about achieving the goals you have for yourself?

The questions I asked THH and her answers might be some of the same questions from the cards but no I didn't take them from the cards. I took them from Tony Robbins! Well alot happens all around us in our environment and we cannot pay attention to everything. We pay attention to a small band of experience and this is determined by our values (Health, Success, Freedom, Happiness). Our values are the target and the beliefs determine if we have reach our targets, they are the rules or things we must fulfill in order to feel healthy, successful, free, happy...etc. So yes things having to be a certain way because of our beliefs. When we have conflicting beliefs it can lead to self-sabotage. This means when we working on changing something big in our life and we put effort into it and then we stop after awhile. Its because of the conflicting belief or rather the belief of a negative value. We will do more to avoid pain ie if we have a belief that mistakes are bad then we might fear failure and do anything we can to not fail. Does that make sense?

THH;

So is Family then Love that you get? Um independance from nature maybe? (I'm trying to figure out what kind of feeling it creates...ie health, confidence...etc. Art would be creativity. Spiritual can be just spiritual I think...if you can feel spiritual that is.

How much time do you spend feeling successful vs not feeling successful? And how much time would you like to feel successful?

Well since my lymph nodes are swollen in my groin I'll have lots of time to explain more about this. I'll put it in another post and I will be posting about my own values and beliefs however it may take me awhile to do this as I have many things that have to happen in order to feel my positive values and I have a long list of things that can create the negative feelings/values. Then I'll change them too. You very well might have quit challenging yourself before the program...especially if you were perfectionistic. Perhaps you didn't try many things because you were afraid of failing and your mind would do anything to avoid that pain. Yes moving helps to burn that extra energy. Like Lucinda says, its like being in high gear with your breaks on! I"m really happy with this new morning routine myself!

Lindalee;
Welcome back!!! It likely isn't because your computer is new that you lost the post. If you open a post window and it is open for too long and then you go to post...it can do that. It can do that sometimes without a long opened window but that isn't as likely. In order to avoid that I right click and click select all and copy. If it goes away then I right click and click on paste.

What do you need to add and change up?


Last couple of days!
I've been a little overwhelmed with things lately and haven't posted as much as I would have liked to but I will have more time to do that now. The lymph nodes in my groin area are swollen and my upper leg is achy. My body needs to rest. I'm making sure my legs are elevated, I also put some of the red (strong) tigerbalm on the affected area along with a plaster patch.

I've listened to some more Tony Robbins audio program and have been working with my values and beliefs a little bit. I think I put too much emphasis on getting it done perfectly right and in the right order but it isn't as important to do it that way. My top value on my list of positive values is Security. Which makes sense and you will probabbly be amazed at what has to happen in order for me to feel secure. Doing this exercise is a great way to figure out expectations or rules we have for each other.

Oh and I met someone yestaurday off a dating site who I found out was a psychologist. It was pretty cool and we were talking about many things. One of those things was guilt and I figured that it would be a good idea to work through everything I belief about guilt and everything that causes that feeling. I came up with 58 diffrent things so far...well some of them are similar, I'm just writing things down as I think them and then will go through them and cross some off. Then will replace those beliefs with more realistic ones like I did with sleep. Amazing how guilt just leads to more and more guilt! I wonder if my first anxiety/panic attack was a guilt attack.

I'm still working on my sleep and I got to sleep around 11ish instead of pushing myself to stay up later and post. I was happy! It took me awhile to fall asleep but that was ok. I also set my alarm for 7:30am and well it took me an hour to get up and then I went out the door and did my hour of power and felt better. It was hard with the lymph node issue though. I am now going to comitt myself to waking up at 7am everyday, no matter what!!! Well cept for those days where I stay up late after a party or whatever but other then that 7am!!


Mike
Here is the link to the Letting Go thread which is designated for venting
http://forum.stresscenter.com/viewtopic ... 52&t=25087

You can follow me on Twitter, same username or check out my blog

http://ninjafrodo.blogspot.com/

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:01 am

Values & Beliefs Personal Power II by Tony Robbins. (My notes)

We delete most of whats going on around us because we cannot pay attention to everything! We only pay attention to a small band of our experience. What we focus on is based on our values.

Our values tell us what states to pay attention to because they lead to lots of pleasure and we have values that we pay attention to because they're the states that are most painful and we avoid them at all cost. (Living creatures are motivated by pleasure and pain. We try to acquire pleasure and do everything we can to avoid pain. We will do more to avoid pain then to gain pleasure however)
1)Moving Towards Values; Love, Success, Joy
2)Moving Away from Values; Anger, physical pain, depression

Our brain evaluates weather it is a good idea or bad idea to do something based on these values. The values tell us weather the activity will cause us pain or pleasure. If it appeals to our values we are more likely to do it and if it doesn't then we are more likely not to.

Knowing someone's values can help to understand how they'd approach their lives.

Values can be conflicting (Moving towards values vs Moving away from). IE.Say Success is your number 1 moving towards value and Fear of failure is your number 1 moving away from value. Opposing values causes alot of people to sabbotage. They might start to change and make effort for awhile but in an attempt to avoid the pain of the negative value it will do anything to stop that from happening...even if that is stopping the activity. In this case the person might stop so they don't possibly fail and get the pain from that failure.


To figure out your values
1)Moving towards values
Ask yourself "Whats most important to me in ______ (life, job, relationship)

Write them down 1 at a time and keep asking yourself till you figure them all out.

Values are things like; Health, Success, Happiness, Joy, Creativity...basically anything you can say is a feeling or mental state. Not things like family, money, car or anything like that. Those are means values which means that it isn't having pieces of paper with dead people on them that you want or a hunk of metal or living beings...its what they give you. so you can ask "What would you get out of ____, whats the feelings that you want?

2)Moving away from values
Ask "What are the feelings or states you'd do almost anything to avoid?" "What are some of the feelings I've had that I hate that I don't want to experience?" "What are some times in my life I've felt lousy?"

Finding out values tells you what your brain is focusing on. If you change your values you change your destiny because you change what you focus and pay attention to daily and what you notice and what you behave and act on and therefore the results in your life. You literally set a whole new set of causes in motion, and get a whole new set of effects. It takes you in a new direction and ultimately a new destiny.

Values come out of pain and pleasure. Lets say I ask you "what is most important to you" and you say "success." well then what has to happen for you to be successful? (The target is the value and the belief tells you if you hit that target. Beliefs are generalizations or rules of what has to happen for you to experience a certain result in your life (ie. If I'm happy then I'm successful!)

So Tony Robbins was in a room with a bunch of people and was asking people about their values and beliefs. He asked one guy what was most important in his life. The guy said success. Tony Robbins then asked "are you successful?" The guy responds "no". (This is intresting because this is the state he wants the most but he doesn't have it.
Tony then asks "well how come? Why aren't you successful?
His response was his beliefs
->"In order to be successful, if you are successful you need to make 3.5million dollars a year (he was only making 2 million), you have to always be up and never feel down or disappointed, you have to be totally physically fit (for him that ment a body fat ratio of like 12-14% and he was 4 points above that.
-Tony said there were several other things the guy said but he had forgot everything.
-The guys beliefs were keeping him from experiencing the level of joy and pleasure he deserves to have. Do you ever do that?

Another example;
Tony picks the most outrageous person who was bouncing off the walls with energy and asks him "are you successful?" The guy responds saying "Of course I am" Tony then asks "How do you know thats true?" (This gets them to tell you the beliefs behind it) He then responds saying "I know I'm successful because everyday above ground is a great day. If its a great day then I'm successful" (His rules for success are very easy to meet and thus he feels successful on a daily basis and gets the energy from that.)

That might sound very stupid and you might think he'll never succeed but he's a very successful person. Alot of people think if I'm successful then I'll lose my motivation. No, if you feel too comfortable then you'll lose your motivation. But as long as you believe you must continue to grow to be happy and as long as you keep setting your sites on new goals and you enjoy the process, you'll have some real power for your life.

Lets say we have Success as our number 1 moving towards value and Fear of rejection or failure as our number 1 moving away from value. What happens is we start to succeed and then we sabbotage because we don't want to feel the pain of failure. We run into these things where we sabbotage and sabbotage and feel lousy.

We have all these beliefs about what we have to do to succeed that are absurd (These are like the expectations we talk about in lesson 4 by the way)! We make it so difficult. All those values you want you can have right now.

You want to feel successful, try it!
->Sit right now the way you'd be sitting if you were successful. Breath right now the way you would if you felt totally happy and successful. Put the look on your face maybe the smile you'd have if you felt totally successful. Put the strut in your shoulders if you felt totally happy and successful. Think about what you'd say to yourself if you felt totally happy and successful. What would you picture, what would you see? and if you work at this can you feel successful right now?

Most people have set it up so its almost impossible to win the game of life! They've setup the rules of the game so its so tough to win that they wonder why they're dissapointed or frustrated or angry all the time. Its because they've got lousy beliefs and they got values somebody else created!
->Tony's idea is to get people to design values and beliefs that automatically make it easy to feel alive and win every single day no matter what happens. Because we can't always control our environment. We can't always control the wind but we can control our sails.

There are 2 types of beliefs;
1)Global beliefs
2)Rules

1)Global beliefs;
(Giant generalizations about people and things...life is...people are...I am)
->Negative beliefs affect the quality of life and the success you have or don't have. Do they affect what you're willing to try or not try in your life? You better believe they do.

Tony Robbins's Global beliefs in the past...I'm too young, I'm not educated enough, I don't have a PhD, they're not going to listen to me besides I don't have enough money [This shuts down your ability]

Your beliefs are the flood gate that opens up your power and possibility. Limiting beliefs shut you donw and immediately chain you to limitation. If you want the key all you have to do is adopt a new belief and you can do it literally in a moment. Beliefs are not permenant.

Beliefs also determine which questions you are willing to aks yourself and the habitual questions. ie. If you are feeling inferior you might keep asking "How come I'm not enough" and your brain will give you reasons to show you how your not enough and you'll feel wonderful!

2)Rules;
If you love me you'd do this
If you respect me you'd do _____

Any upset you ever had with another person comes down to a rules upset. You have rules about how they should behave and act or treat or speak or do something and they aren't living by the rules you have. How can you expect someone to live by your rules if you haven't communicated what they are? Besides that, are your rules really right? Where did they come from?

1)Write whats most important and number it
2)What are the emotions I'd do almost anything to avoid and put them in order of which one I'd do the most to avoid.

Ask for each value what is it that has to happen for me to feel ____(whatever the value is)

Make it harder to feel pain. ie change the belief about what it takes to feel embarassed. Like not live the way I believe is right or change belief about failure- in order for me to feel I have failed, I must not have learned from a situation.


Mike
Here is the link to the Letting Go thread which is designated for venting
http://forum.stresscenter.com/viewtopic ... 52&t=25087

You can follow me on Twitter, same username or check out my blog

http://ninjafrodo.blogspot.com/

mcshope
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Post by mcshope » Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:34 am

Lindalee,
Congratulations!!! You are doing great. I'm happy to see you back here and to read your great news.
I understand the waiting game with job applications. I am sure something good will come for you.
Hope
"Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its trouble, it empties today of its strength." – Unknown

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