Lead to say what I say!

Martin70 · Post by **Martin70** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:38 am

Originally posted by Jennifier:
I am sorry it offends you that I pray and that I believe in God but you haven't heard me preach anything to you at all because you don't beleive in God so I don't see how I am preaching to you at all!

Why did you assume CB40 has no belief in God? This now brings me to one of the other posts I spoke in about lumping ALL those who are not christian into people who do not believe in God. You're even assuming this person is not christian. We have no evidence pointing to any of this. You've assumed quite a bit! Jennifer, you need to calm down. Take a breath. You're frightening me and I would guess others as well. Considering I already have anxiety and depression ... thanks a lot! Doesn't matter whether you meant to or not, you have achieved it. Please feel free to also assume I do not believe in God.

Keep it up you guys and the entire spirituality section could be threatened with closure. I don't wanna see that happen.

R.T.E. · Post by **R.T.E.** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:06 pm

I deleted the messages prior to this because I dont want to offend anyone and I didn't mean to say that the way in which I did. I don't know if you are believe in God or not CB40 so please forgive me for pinpointing you directly. I was trying to say that for those that don't. I was trying to say that I don't bother those that don't believe in God so why do it to me. I said it to be offensive I see that now and I deleted it because of that.
Jennifier

luvpiggy · Post by **luvpiggy** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:23 pm

I want everyone to read what is in the quote above and know that I sin to and I repent for what was said. I was writing and got ahead of myself and I am sorry for that! Christians aren't perfect but forgiven. So forgive me cb40 I deleted it so it won't be offensive to you! I did that because I didn't want to cause an argument I also deleted another one because some of you are starting arguments with my words and I don't want that to be that way! I will not stand here and allow people to cause arguments by my words and all I have been doing is judging by the fruits!

Jennifier

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:48 pm

Let's all calm down, take some time off, and relax a little. I've passed the request for a 'tacked thread' at the top of the spirituality forum on up the line to a Stress Center director who will take it from here. This person isn't the one who has the final say but one who will contact the people who do. No guarantee's from us that it will or won't be accepted. We will know later this week.

For now, from this point on, any baiting of people to draw them into an argument will not be tolerated and the posts will be deleted. If this practice continues by a poster he/she will be removed from this website on a permanent basis. That is why I'm asking all of you on all fronts to take a break, relax, work the program, or enjoy life. As admin we have done all we can do and like you will have to wait for a final decision in regards to this matter of a prayer phone number thread.

Admin

Barb G. · Post by **Barb G.** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:21 pm

hi,
could i say something and i hope that people will not tak it the wrong way .
i remember lat year we had this same thing happened and alot of people got their feeling hurt..
i am so glad that admin stepped in and put a stop to the arguing and give hope to the ones that want to post in the spiritual section..we can go back and forth and say thisand that and it will not get us anywhere..
i did not come in here for a long time because it was just a mess...each person taking up for each other on both sides...
i hope tat this will help others that are new to the forum and the programs..
we need to handle things with care and some are easily hurt because of the things that they are going through..
i do not go to other sites and start things. if i read something that i do not like i just leave that section. we are all grown and can be friends to everyone and anyone...
i hope that you have a good week next week..
take care and be blessed.
don

if i can help somebody as i go along then my living will not bein vain..

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:38 pm

Admin,
I very much appreciate your efforts...I wouldnt want to see any forums closed..
I understand completely your reasoning:) thanks again

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:51 am

Adding my two cents here...

I really appreciate the spirituality forum. I am a Christian, but I know there are other non-Christians in this forum who appreciate being able to address this specific need in their healing process as well. I can see how it would make, for example, a Jewish believer uncomfortable for someone to keep telling him or her that Jesus is the only way. That is what I believe, but I respect that it is not their belief.

That is what is really needed in ANY conversation about spirituality...respect.

On another note, and please, please do not take this as a cirticism, Jennifier, but for people struggling with depression and anxiety (speaking for myself especially) it is difficult to see that you signed on less than a month ago and then to read your posts as though you don't seem to have any problems now...and knwo the answers. I do believe Jesus heals...and I believe He works miracles, absolutely, so I am not questioning what He has done in your life AT ALL, but I am just saying that I can see how it would make some people wonder why - you with so little time into the program (and so LITTLE discussion about the program, sessions, etc. directly, if I am being totally honest) are trying to "fix" them. LIke I said, I don't mean for that to come across as harsh or mean. I'm just asking you to try and see what others might see on that angle...it makes it hard for them...and by them I mean sometimes ME.

I do so appreciate your prayers and comments. Don has been so helpful to me on more than one occasion! When you venture off of the spirituality forum though, some people may not be as receptive to your help. If they were seeking spiritual help...this forum is easy to find.

Just a thought.

Have a blessed day!
Dawn

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:37 am

I never said that I didn't have any problems but I have been healed of many of my issues. I am sorry that it offends anyone that I have a postive outlook on life and my situation, but isn't it that we aren't suppose to have negative talk we are suppose to have positive thinking. If everyone that has comments or thoughts like that you can see that I too at one time have had feelings just like others and I have wrote about them on here. Your right I have been on here for less than a month, I joined a prayer group and I haven't had but one panic attack since. That is the power of prayer! Some of you may disagree but it is real in my life and I am walking proof of it all! I am not trying to fix anyone at all I am here to encourage others and I have PM many people about the program so everyone can stop judging what they see on here because you haven't seen me respond to those people. I have talked over many things with people about the program and I know that it has the ability to help many if you have a postive outlook that it will work. I am wakling in faith and some people don't understand that but I have been healed of alot in the past month and I am proud to say that it was My Lord that did it. I don't take anything you say to offense Prv31mom but it is amazing that you as a believer would be discouraged by what I say. I am sorry that you have taking offense to my positive outlooks and praise reports, I can't really say offense but that it has discouraged you I guess I should say! Everyone gets better of different things at different paces so don't get discouraged because you can be healed of all this as well. I just keep my positive thinking up and my eye on the Lord only and I don't have time to worry about my pains and thoughts! Keep that in mind when you are anxious getting your mind off of it and if you stay busy then you can have no room for anything to get in and tell you about bad things that are making you panic or have anxiety! I hope that will help you in your fight with panic and anxiety issues. If I have offended anyone I am sorry this is just how I feel about all of this!

God Bless
Jennifier

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:01 am

Jennifer,
You are fine in where God has led you and , continue to speak from your heart, this is how change comes about, in any program, the steps needed be are as followed and in the capacity of life we all draw from one another, this is just the way it was created. I read a lot of post in here and I can imagine the source of need in this place, the avenue one must take to get to a particular point to value anothers life and we all have been there negative or positive and both work for the common man. And yes we all are common and will strive to change what ever the elms of life bring on us. In this capacity, we are dealing with panic anxiety, both are of the mind and in this such we must have a positve outlook on life, because this can cause one to bare life from a midpoint of stuctual damage- meaning worry, fear, and the point of I can not do it any more. So in all means if you are led to speak with an open mind and herat all ways do so because believe me you do not know who is reading your post on the other end and it might just be for that individual or individuals that need that inspiration to move on, it is not just about a program, we are not robots but living human beings and at time we all need a loving kind respectful word!!!!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:49 am

Jennifier,

Thanks for your post. I am glad you weren't offended by what I said, because that was most certainly not my intent.

I am happy for you, truly, that you have expereinced such healing and in such a short amount of time. THat is definitely something to praise God for and I am glad that you do!

My point was that sometimes people dealing with anxiety have extra anxiety added from well-meaning people. A prime example on my part is when people from church say things like, "You just need to trust God more" or imply that something sinful must be happening in my life for me to be depressed or anxious or say "Just turn it over to God and you will be healed." It's not that I don't believe that, but I believe that I have been doing that...and their comments (and in turn - my perception of some of yours) give me the impression that I am doing something wrong and that there is something wrong with me because I'm not having the same experience that you are having. Depressed and anxious people don't always perceive things in the most positive light...and we all have to be sensitive to what we say.

Does that make sense?

God does not take away everyone's problems in the same time frame, in the same manner, or even sometimes at all. He allows us to go through the valleys because He has a plan for us on the other side...He wants to use us for something that he has to put us through the "refiner's fire" to enable.

You should not stop praising and glorifying God and I never meant for anyone to imply that was what I was saying to you. That is not offensive or problematic to me.

What is discouraging though, and this is what I was just asking you to observe and note as a possibility, is that you seem to think everyone should be right there with you and your words come across as though something is wrong with those of us who aren't. By saying to me that you are "amazed that [me] as a believer would be discouraged at what [you] say" implies that I should somehow feel bad or ashamed that I feel that way. I can't help feeling discouraged sometimes and by certain messages...God is working with me in His way in His time...not yours.

I am truly happy for you. Truly. I was not judging YOU...I was reading your posts though and NOT seeing much if ANYTHING about this program. Of course it is not just about this program...but that's the FOUNDATION of this website. I am glad that you are able to PM with people and help them.

The way that I see this site/program is multi-dimensional. I enjoy coming in this particular forum to receive and give spiritual encouragement to fellow travellers.

God bless you,
Dawn