Suicidal Thoughts

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Post by Sara's Mom » Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:25 am

Are we allowed to talk about suicidal thoughts? If not, please accept my apologies and delete this thread. I'm assuming we can talk about it since the program is for anxiety AND depression... and with depression come thoughts of suicide sometimes, right? :?

Lately I find myself thinking about suicide. This has never happened to me before in all the years I've struggled with anxiety/depression. At first I didn't really think much about it but now it's starting to worry me. I don't want to kill myself but I'm afraid that these thoughts might get out of control or I'll just snap one day and do it. That's what must happen to people who jump off bridges, isn't it? I mean, they must reach a point where things are so bad that jumping off a bridge feels better than living. I assume they just snap one day and do it. They don't plan it for weeks. Or do they?

I'm afraid of mentioning this to my doctor because I'm afraid of being locked up in some looney bin against my will for 72 hours if she thinks I'm a threat to myself. And I'm not. Like I said, I don't WANT to kill myself. That's why these thoughts scare me so much. I'm afraid I'll lose control and act on them... I can't do that. I have a daughter who needs me.

Plus, the only thing the doctor will do is offer anti-depressants. *rolls eyes*

Is this just another "scary thought" that goes along with anxiety disorder or is this something completely unrelated?
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Guest

Post by Guest » Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:59 am

Hi Brooke,

I was having the very same thoughts when my anxiety reached a peak a month ago. I spoke with my therapist and he told me thinking that way is normal at the time of the stress. However, you're far too collected to ever do anything bad to yourself. They're just thoughts - anxiety and depression do that to us. They trick us and lie to us. Don't beat yourself up for thinking this way. It's just a thought and I wouldn't attach any danger to it. The important thing is, you're getting help (this program). Also, I know medication isn't everyone's first choice, but there are some very effective antidepressants out there and you can view it as a temporary measure to stability the situation until you can really absorb the skills from program. Talk to your therapist, don't be ashamed, that's what they're there for. No-one is going to lock you up :)

Michael

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Post by Guest » Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:05 am

Brooke,
You make a very revealing comment "I can't do that I have a daughter." So, it sounds like your reasoning is sound. We are human and many of us are consumed with the fear of death. It sounds to me...that these are those "fear of losing control" thoughts that Lucinda talks about. I discussed this with my therapist years ago. I had thoughts of doing it but when it comes down to it, I know it is wrong.

Guest

Post by Guest » Sun Jul 29, 2007 3:11 am

Thanks everyone for the feedback. It's good to know I'm not the only one thinking these thoughts.

My fear is that I'll snap, lose control, and do it without wanting to. So yeah, I guess it is just another scary thought surrounding my main fear of losing control.

Will this insanity ever end? Just when I feel I have control over one fear or something I'm avoiding, up pops a new one to take it's place... and it's usually stronger than the fear it replaced.

I know anxiety disorder isn't a mental illness but it's enough to drive a person insane! Oh good... there's another fear I can obsess about. :roll:

Guest

Post by Guest » Sun Jul 29, 2007 4:31 am

Hey Brooke, I also struggle with these thoughts, and its pretty much my worst scary thought, like alot of people this thought/fear didn't come up until I was begining to face my fears and overcome agoraphobia, so this has gone on for almost a year, what was going on in your life that you think might have brought on this thought? Like you I hate this thought and it is not an answer to me, but it still scares the hell out of me, so just know that your definitely not alone in this.
Chris

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Post by Jill Mercier » Sun Jul 29, 2007 5:21 am

Hi Chris, thanks for sharing that with me.

I have never had depression this bad. For me it's always been anxiety that's been the main problem.

I started the program and the first two weeks were fantastic. I honestly thought this was the answer to my prayers. But it seems that the further along into it I get, the worse my depression gets. So maybe it's because I AM getting over my anxiety?? But if that's the case, replacing it with this kind of debilitating depression isn't any better.

I'm so confused. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. And it's scary because if as I get over one thing, something equally bad or worse replaces it, then it makes me want to hang on to the anxiety disorder because that I'm familiar with, I know what to expect, and I can handle it... not that I want to. Does that make sense??
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Post by Guest » Sun Jul 29, 2007 6:29 am

Brooke,
First of all, yes, it's one of those scary thoughts. It's just a thought. Like Ken says in one of the tapes,"thoughts, just thoughts".
Sometimes we have to keep reminding ourselves of this. That's OK. It's all a learning process.

We've spent so much time convincing ourselves that the negatives are true, and now it's time to do the opposite. Make the positives a reality and repeat the positives over and over until we believe them.
Takes time, but you'll get there and then all the relief will wash over you. It will.
It's such a feeling of freedom and you WILL get there. It's peace of mind and it's precious.
You're not going to lose control and you're not going to do something that you know is wrong and will leave your daughter without her mommy. You just won't do this because it's just a thought, only a thought.
If we were to post on this site all the scary thoughts we've had over the years that never were true, never became a reality, WOW
now that would be a very long list.
The most important thing to remember is that they are NOT true, they're not reality.

We're intelligent, creative, imaginative people and our minds are on the go all the time.
We CAN learn how to take up all that negative scary thought time and replace it with time spent on realistic positive thoughts.

The first few weeks in the program can be stressful. Keep going forward, that eases up.

Try saying to yourself every day -
"I'm doing pretty good already, and I've just started"
So, you don't believe this yet. That's OK.
Keep saying it anyway and say it out loud, and say it often.
Before you even realize what's happening, your brain will accept this and it becomes true.

That confusion, it's just resistance to change.
That's all it is.
It's just thoughts.
You're doing nothing wrong.
You're just moving forward and not used to it yet.
What you're saying makes perfect sense.
Now,
Stop convincing yourself that this isn't worth it.
Start convincing yourself, because it's true, that you're worth taking the time and effort to make these changes.
You're on your way to recovery, take those self inflicted roadblocks down and go for it!!!

As we go further along in the program, we begin to notice, more and more, that most everyone with anxiety has these doubts and scary thoughts. Some people have tons more.
We also realize that we CAN do something about it and ARE doing something about it, and
everything makes more sense ----
And there ARE ways to get that nasty anxiety and depression under control, wipe most of it out of our lives, and with good coping skills we CAN handle life's curve balls--
And that lots of things in life that used to stress us out big time are -
NO BIG DEAL.

That's the point you're getting to.
Yes, you are.
It's just frustrating at the moment, but this will pass.

God bless and many hugs to you.

Guest

Post by Guest » Sun Jul 29, 2007 1:19 pm

Thank you so much, Cindy.

I'm going to read your post every day until I have it memorized.

Guest

Post by Guest » Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:03 pm

Brooke-you are not alone-I am 23 and have this often-it is hard at first but you will get the hang of the positive self talk-I am now just trying to trust myself around items that scare me. WE WILL GET THERE.

Guest

Post by Guest » Sun Jul 29, 2007 2:42 pm

Brooke,
You're very welcome. Hugs again.
I've been where you are and so have so many others. And, we got past it, and have really great coping skills now. Believe me, if I can, you can.
Keep us posted.
You're in my prayers, and I do believe God listens.
Yes GE, you both will!!!!

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