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Post by Guest » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:25 am

GREAT TOPIC :D

ALEXSEI521: I am so happy you're doing what you can do to recover. I'd like to comment on 1 thing in particular that you said. You stated, <span class="ev_code_RED">"I did go to see a counselor and was told counseling would be a long drawn out process that would be difficult and probably not worth it since I have children and a husband to take care of. So that's out for me."</span>I don't know any counselor/therapist that would ever dare say something like that. Whoever told you that, if it was a counselor, should not be a counselor. Whoever told you that is MEDICALLY irresponsible & dead wrong -BIG TIME. How is RECOVERY not worth it? Sure, your married & a mom(God bless by the way) - is your health & totally being & existence contingent only on them? Yes you have responsibilite - however what about you? What about you taking care of you & what you need? I'm sure you're a great wife & mama - however, if you don't take care of yourself & do WHAT YOU NEED TO DO FOR YOU TO "RECOVER" FIRST, how can you be a good wife & mama? You say you were told "not worth it cause I have a hubby & children to take care of", that is wrong: while we all have responsibilites in life that require a very delicate balance - RECOVERY NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY & IF YOU HAVE ISSUES OR PAST EVENTS THAT REQUIRE THE HELP OF A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL(therapist or counselor) - then that is what you need to do. Your health & mental/emotional well being should NOT be contingent on what your children & hubby need FIRST & ALWAYS. You need to take care of you too. Finally, <span class="ev_code_RED">there are issues that reach beyond the scope of this program - that which require the asst of a medical profess - such as a counselor or therapist. Let's say for example, you had SUCH ISSUES - you could read all the books in the world til the cows come home - that will not get you resolution in addressing these things. </span>Pls know, by no means am I implying books aren't great - they are: YOU ARE DOING GREAT THINGS - however, there are some events & issues that have emotional ramifications on us(events fr past - like childhood, etc) that require help beyond BOOKS & THIS PROGRAM. I needed to go to therapy for 20 intensive mths b/4 I was even ready for the program: all based on trauma I had experienced in childhood. JUST AS YOU NOTED & what I later learned - had I not addressed these events 1st - they would regurgitate themselves. I needed to separate the former victim I was THEN vs the woman I am NOW - so I could distinguish, separate, acknowledge, address, deal, heal & let go - THEN I COULD CHANGE MYSELF. Yes, I am married as well(10 yrs) - I haven't been blessed w/ children as of yet - UP TO GOD - LOL, I SAY MEN/HUSBANDS ARE 1/2 CHILD = TRAINING FOR WIVES TO BECOME MAMA'S Lol hahahahha. <span class="ev_code_RED">It was THERAPY + JOURNALING + RESEARCH: reading 16 books + LUCINDA'S PROGRAM - that allowed me to recover. Therapy & program(50% equally) are the reasons I am recovered - no more or less.</span>Of course it would be times consuming & hard. Respectfully, I don't know how old you are, but if you experienced for EXAMPLE ONLY several yrs of hurts/pains/sad-bad events in the past & lets say now you're 30(just a guess sweetie) - how on God's green earth would you expect to address THESE CUMULATIVE yrs of events & all respective surpressed emotions - overnight? It is hard, long, & yes very very painful - IS IT MORE PAINFUL THAN HOLD ON TO THESE THINGS & NOT ADDRESSING THEM ACCORDINGLY? I say no.

LUCINDA'S PROGRAM:

This program is a life saver, worth every penney & the absolute best investment you could make in yourself. You want to empower yourself? Purchase this program. This program SPELLS IT OUT so to speak. This program told me everything I didn't want to hear but all I DESPERATELY NEEDED TO HEAR. I obtained knowledge about the personalities traits condusive to anxiety disorder - MY PERSONALITY: she was so dead on, you'd swear Lucinda was my neighbor - honest folks: she explains the WHY'S. This is KEY - so you learn YOU ARE CREATING IT & YOU HAVE CONTROL/POWER OVER IT - it can't hurt you. You learn, IT IS A SERIES OF NEGATIVE LEARNED BEHAVIORS - if they are learned - they can be UNLEARNED as Carolyn says in the program. Then, as you are obtaining all this wealth of knowledge - you are also simultaneously LEARNING SKILLS to help you through heightened anxiety or a panic attack: THOSE SKILLS ARE PRICELESS. Combine both, you initiate CHANGE W/IN YOURSELF - It is all those things that lead to recovery.

Recovery isn't easy - it is hard fought - lots of work & just when you think you have done enough, it requires more. It is slow, methodical. I'm amazed - that folks(I was 1 of them prior to recovery) assume they should be able to rid themselves of yrs & yrs & yrs of neg learned behaviors in LIKE YESTERDAY - how? Is it painful? Is it hard? Is it frustrating? Yes, all those things & more. NOT MORE THAN HAVING DONE NOTHING @ ALL - Anxiety disorder @ its worst for me was HELL ON EARTH - inhibiting, paralizing, life restricting fear. Any thing I have done was worth NOT BEING IN THAT PLACE ANY MORE - I got there w/ the help of this program.

LENORE

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Post by Guest » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:32 am

Thank you for your post Lenore. I appreciate it.

Let me give you some background on my life. My mother has been in and out of physciatric hospitals all my life. She has had several physchotic episodes and has done some dangerous and crazy things. All of these things I witnessed as a child. I went to see a councelor because when my mother comes around me I get headaches and I turn into a mental vegetable. I wantd to know what my moral responsibility to her is from the stand point of a clinician and/or what I could do for her because I was at the end of my rope. When she comes around me I can't take care of my family or myself because I go into the emotional overload. The councleor informed me that when my mother comes around and does her stuff and talks about the past I go into post traumatic stress response. So going into extensive therapy would intail doing that even more deeply and cause me pain emotionally and probably physically. It would put me in the past in an entense way. I am doing ok now, I am not house bound or anything like that and as long as I stay away from my mom I am ok. My present is great. I have three great kids and a great guy who loves me and supports me in everythin. My mom has been in therapy for 30 years. She lives in the past and talks constantly about her bad childhood and what so in so did to her thirty years ago. She is not happy by any means. She has no husband, no friends, she has no relationship with her father and could not visit her mother in the nursing home because she constantly herrassed her about the abuse her mom put her through and the staff had a restraining order put on her. This does not sound like the life for me. I don't want to live for the past. I want to live for my daughter who look up to me, my little boy who adores me and my husband who looks at me like I am the most beautiful person in the world.

I started the mid west center's program becuase I started to have panick attacks after I had my children. With special needs daughter and two year old twins, thre is a lot of stress and I wanted to learn how to handle it. Because of my childhood where I was emotionally abused, neglected and put into a lot of harms way my family is my first and foremost concern. I don't want to be in therapy and become more mentally bogged down than I am now.

I appreciate your concerns and I don't know your situation so I am sure you are doing the right thing for you and I am glad you have found what works for you. Take care.

cfe
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Post by cfe » Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:58 am

as i read all the responses that yo wroteto his question it made me remember back to 2004 and, wen i went through the program...i had alot of different problems and had panic and anxiety all my life...i thoughtthat i could handle it anything. then along came divorce, finding out who my mother was, goingthrough a divorceand skin cancer..retired from the military after 22 yrs. i thought i was man enough fo anything. i had driven a transit bus for almost 10 years nd, then was resident manager of an apt building. life was hell for me...i was one to walk the floor all night when my heart raced and i thought i was having a heart attack..i lived and worked and ate where i worked so i had to go to different buildings to check on things..i started to have agrophobia and derealization...if i ent outto eat i would get sick and have to leave so i started to get take out or drive through...then i ordered the program...i dove into it like a child does a new toy..it was not a quick fix. but the tools and skills i got from the program and with the help of GOD and my wonderful friend that i met after i got my divorce and i had to drive over 4 and a half hours to see her..we were childhood sweethearts and liked each oter in the 7th and 8th grade...i did not know it at the time that she had what i had as well..but she could drive and go and eat and it seemed like it did not bother her...i then found out i had skin cancer and she was there for me...she took careof me and tat iswhat brought us to where we are now..we will be married 3 years the 6th of april...i sometimes wonder why OGD waitsuntil we are older sometimes to give us what we have needed all our lives...ifwe put our trust in HIM HE WILL NEVER FAIL US.i know that some do it different but i do it my way and you can do it yours...when we tarted going to CHURCH turning our lives over to GOD and paying our tithes things started to change..i could write all day on HIS GOODNESS..i am sure you get the picture...hang in there..there i light at the end of the tunnel and if you want it you have to goget it..take care and GOD BLESS..
don
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Post by Guest » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:52 am

*D*
Your story made me happy. I am so glad you have a special friend to share your life with. I too have found my strength in God. I think that is one piece of the puzzle for me to have peace.

Thanks for responding.

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Post by Guest » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:23 am

Originally posted by Spectro49:
Hi,
I am finishing the 4th session and I am trying very hard not to think negatively but what if this program doesn't work, then I guess I stay on my tranquilizers forever? This must be a bad day because there were days while on this program I felt pretty good and thought I was getting some kind of handle on my inner nervousness (anxiety). I definitely have to work on patience!
I have had my share of days since starting the program where I feel on top of the world and not anxious whatsoever really. While other days I will feel like the usual and start questioning whether any of this will really benefit me the way I hope it will.

I am currently nearing an end to session 3 and I am more nervous than I've been during the whole course of the program so far. It is hard not to think negatively, but I am doing my best and focusing on what makes me happy. While some days I am rather patient, there are others also where I am far from it.

With effort, patience, and hope I will "hope"fully conquer this in time.

Peace & Love
-Dustin

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Post by Guest » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:16 am

Hi

Could I ask what a paid shill is?

And to answer your question the program is worth it for me. I am improving although slowly. I think slowly is better than no improvement at all.

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Post by Guest » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:27 am

I am just starting my 6th week and it is absolutely worth it so far. I have seen great improvement. I think the main thing is the repetition because that's what really makes it stick. Reading books related to each week is also helpful. It takes a lot of time, but it's all about priorities, and priortity #1 right now is to get better, so I'll be around for the other things in life.

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Post by Guest » Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:48 am

I have not purchased this program, but this forum alone has helped me only in a weeks time.

First, I know I am not alone and losing my mind (well maybe I am losing my mind, but I'm not alone) ;)

Second, reading a lot of the posts I am seeing different ways to handle things and it has been refreshing.

The biggest thing is knowing your not alone, I walk outside in public sometimes especially when things have been bad and wonder; "Is it only me? Can it only be me? WTF is wrong with me?"

In reality it is just life! Everyone handles things differently, hell, I look at my wife and think she is a rock, but one night she admitted to biting nails because she was stressed, she just handles it differently!

Guest

Post by Guest » Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:33 am

Alexsei521

Hey Alexsei521

Just a bit of input for you. I have been to therapy before and yes, you do go back there. Sometimes its good and sometimes not so good. This program is a program to move forward, not stay backwards. We know where we have come from and may not remember "all" where we have come from, but so you know and lets move forward from here. What am I going to do about now so I don't have to live in that turmoil and neither do my kids. This is like having a life coach, but on the net, with peers. So you go girl, you move forward with your life, enjoy your kids and work the program! You will be blessed

Debby

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Post by Guest » Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:33 am

Debby,
Thanks a lot for your post. Its nice to have someone give you such positive comments! I feel so much better in two weeks. I think I am on the road to resuming things I gave up six years ago when my daughter was born.

Thanks again.
lexi

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