PS. I did read till the end bevhembree.
Society, even the medical system needs to realize that "mental illness" is REAL and we need better access to care and APPROPRIATE treatment.
If more money was put into mental health research and treating people's mental health issues, it would boost the economy as people would be more productive. ALSO physical ailments would decrease - so much physical illness is a direct consequence of mental illness.
Stand up for access to health care and respect!
Heather
From a neurological point
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Your welcome Paul and Bev.
What i believe is that ya you have to work on the relaxation but its a good idea to work on your digestive system as well...maybe even first. When your body is in exhaustion phase..your digestive and immune system gets supressed. So your elimination gets slowed and you backup in your intestines...when you can't eliminate then you aren't getting rid of toxins and your immune system has to work harder.
So I'd suggest working on the digestive system which will help with the immune system and feeling mroe clean minded. Also in oriental theory they link up organs with psychology...they say that when one is constipated they aren't letting go (physically and mentally).When you get that going again...it is easier to let things go and also easier to accept things like relaxation and cognitive changes.
Something to think about.
Mike
What i believe is that ya you have to work on the relaxation but its a good idea to work on your digestive system as well...maybe even first. When your body is in exhaustion phase..your digestive and immune system gets supressed. So your elimination gets slowed and you backup in your intestines...when you can't eliminate then you aren't getting rid of toxins and your immune system has to work harder.
So I'd suggest working on the digestive system which will help with the immune system and feeling mroe clean minded. Also in oriental theory they link up organs with psychology...they say that when one is constipated they aren't letting go (physically and mentally).When you get that going again...it is easier to let things go and also easier to accept things like relaxation and cognitive changes.
Something to think about.
Mike
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Have you heard of the Linden Method? Here is a quote from their website:
There is one mechanism in each and every one of us that causes, creates, stores and activates the response which causes anxiety, panic attacks and phobias.
The Amygdala is a small but powerful organ in the brain. It forms part of the Lymbic System, the 'nerve center' which controls emotions and anxiety levels, amongst other functions.
He sells his program for a lot less than this one...only about $100, and he offers a 1 year money back guarantee. I would like to know if anyone has tried the Linden Method.
There is one mechanism in each and every one of us that causes, creates, stores and activates the response which causes anxiety, panic attacks and phobias.
The Amygdala is a small but powerful organ in the brain. It forms part of the Lymbic System, the 'nerve center' which controls emotions and anxiety levels, amongst other functions.
He sells his program for a lot less than this one...only about $100, and he offers a 1 year money back guarantee. I would like to know if anyone has tried the Linden Method.
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Hi, all!
Mike, excellent response! I think I will look up Selye's theory and see what it's all about.
Bev, I agree completely with what you wrote! I feel that our reactions related to A & D are a combination of biochemical and environmental (e.g. home, work, society) causes. I don't think that you can work on one without working on the other. In my case, I got the biochemical under control first, and now, I can put a lot of energy into the environmental stress and coping responses that I have learned that are counterproductive.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing out that there is a major difference between situational depression and chronic depression. Situational depression is a normal occurrence in life for most people when they experience an overwhelming event and the accompanying emotions (such as a death). Chronic depression is just that . . . CHRONIC!!!! Individuals sufferning from chronic depression over the course of their lifetime likely have biochemical issues related to serotonin, norepinephrin, and dopamine.
There is one book that might be of interest to you. But I offer a caution to everyone I recommend it to. Go to the bookstore, scan over it, and decide if it's something that will help or make things worse. If it will help, buy and read it! If it might make things worse, then leave it on the shelf! It's called the Gift of Fear by Gavin DeBecker. While it does not deal directly with A & D, it does deal with the innate fear response that all humans are born with. The basic gist of the book is that so many of us are hypersensitive to irrational fears concerning physical safety (e.g. being a victim of a crime). This hypersensitivity is so loud that it actually silences our natural intuition concerning threats in our environment. So while we are busy looking out for irrational perceived threats, we are sitting ducks for actual threats in our environment that could harm us that our intuition could warn us about. It's a fascinating book, and it helped me a ton with controlling my irrational fear and listening more to my gut intuition. Anyway, just wanted to throw that in there.
Good luck with the book, and I hope to read it someday!
Genie
Mike, excellent response! I think I will look up Selye's theory and see what it's all about.
Bev, I agree completely with what you wrote! I feel that our reactions related to A & D are a combination of biochemical and environmental (e.g. home, work, society) causes. I don't think that you can work on one without working on the other. In my case, I got the biochemical under control first, and now, I can put a lot of energy into the environmental stress and coping responses that I have learned that are counterproductive.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for pointing out that there is a major difference between situational depression and chronic depression. Situational depression is a normal occurrence in life for most people when they experience an overwhelming event and the accompanying emotions (such as a death). Chronic depression is just that . . . CHRONIC!!!! Individuals sufferning from chronic depression over the course of their lifetime likely have biochemical issues related to serotonin, norepinephrin, and dopamine.
There is one book that might be of interest to you. But I offer a caution to everyone I recommend it to. Go to the bookstore, scan over it, and decide if it's something that will help or make things worse. If it will help, buy and read it! If it might make things worse, then leave it on the shelf! It's called the Gift of Fear by Gavin DeBecker. While it does not deal directly with A & D, it does deal with the innate fear response that all humans are born with. The basic gist of the book is that so many of us are hypersensitive to irrational fears concerning physical safety (e.g. being a victim of a crime). This hypersensitivity is so loud that it actually silences our natural intuition concerning threats in our environment. So while we are busy looking out for irrational perceived threats, we are sitting ducks for actual threats in our environment that could harm us that our intuition could warn us about. It's a fascinating book, and it helped me a ton with controlling my irrational fear and listening more to my gut intuition. Anyway, just wanted to throw that in there.
Good luck with the book, and I hope to read it someday!
Genie
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Good Morning....I tried the Linden Method and found it to be lacking. One of the basic premises it that you don't talk about your anxiety to anyone, and that you basically distract yourself with getting involved with something so that you don't think about your anxiety. I find that the more skills I learn to change my behavior and my negative thinking, the better it is for me. So, personally, I don't think it addresses any problems, except maybe diet and relaxation. However, they say they have a high success rate, so maybe it does work for some people. I bought it and have just returned it for a refund after I started on Lucinda's prog. for the second time, as it did help me trememdously about 5 years ago.
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FreetobeGG- My ex was fascinated with that book and had DaBecker's videos.
All of you make great points. Thank you so much for all of your help.
Oh, I was joking about the book. I'd love to write one one day though. But I'd really love to make the news shows rounds and tell the truth about all this. We are responsible for ourselves,but I'd be great to have a support system there that understands instead of saying "Well, I dont know what to do for you. Sorry you're going through this."
I wanna scream "Hey, give me a pat on the back once in while instead of avoiding me!"
Not only do we have to deal with this A & D but also the burden of the turmoil it can bring to those that we let in our lives- hence the shutting out of people, mistrust, social anxiety, etc.
Between those two things, it's a wonder anyone has people in their life.
All of you make great points. Thank you so much for all of your help.
Oh, I was joking about the book. I'd love to write one one day though. But I'd really love to make the news shows rounds and tell the truth about all this. We are responsible for ourselves,but I'd be great to have a support system there that understands instead of saying "Well, I dont know what to do for you. Sorry you're going through this."
I wanna scream "Hey, give me a pat on the back once in while instead of avoiding me!"
Not only do we have to deal with this A & D but also the burden of the turmoil it can bring to those that we let in our lives- hence the shutting out of people, mistrust, social anxiety, etc.
Between those two things, it's a wonder anyone has people in their life.
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Hi bevhembree,
I read your post a couple of times. LOL.. 2 books!!
One part I need to express my opinion on is the lack of SUPPORT FROM OTHERS that we don't get because it's not something recognized in the same way as Cancer, High Blood presure, Diabetes, etc.
I worked as A HOME SUPPOT WORKER and most of my clients had very serious, debilitating, terminal illnesses and yet had been all but abandoned by friends and family. They looked at their HSW as their only support and awaited anxiously our arrival every day or week to get that support, caring, kindness, and concern they weren't getting from anyone else. My youngest patient was 31, had a 3 year old child, a 3.5 month old baby and suffered a brain stem stroke which left her unable to do anything but blink her eyes. How sad, and I cried a great deal when I would leave her. I had so many cancer patients that had just nobody who cared enough to even call. They were all terminal. I had people with Multiple Sclerosos...also many terminal stages, Alzheimers disease...a burden to family and many were abused and neglected by family members. I always thought that was because of fear of the friend or family member catching the diseases, not knowing what to say, being very self centered, too busy, and on and on went my thoughts about the friends and loved ones of all these sick people. I lost friends because of my Fibromyalgia...some were affraid to be near me for fear of catching it. It seems to me it's not what the illness or affliction is that leaves so many without a pat on the back or a caring visit or phone call but their own fear of everyone who has something they themselves don't have and I don't see it changing any time soon for anyone whose ill. It's the lack of caring by society and it's the fast paced world and so many excuses we could write a book just on the excuses. I've heard them all.
Good Luck!!!
I read your post a couple of times. LOL.. 2 books!!
One part I need to express my opinion on is the lack of SUPPORT FROM OTHERS that we don't get because it's not something recognized in the same way as Cancer, High Blood presure, Diabetes, etc.
I worked as A HOME SUPPOT WORKER and most of my clients had very serious, debilitating, terminal illnesses and yet had been all but abandoned by friends and family. They looked at their HSW as their only support and awaited anxiously our arrival every day or week to get that support, caring, kindness, and concern they weren't getting from anyone else. My youngest patient was 31, had a 3 year old child, a 3.5 month old baby and suffered a brain stem stroke which left her unable to do anything but blink her eyes. How sad, and I cried a great deal when I would leave her. I had so many cancer patients that had just nobody who cared enough to even call. They were all terminal. I had people with Multiple Sclerosos...also many terminal stages, Alzheimers disease...a burden to family and many were abused and neglected by family members. I always thought that was because of fear of the friend or family member catching the diseases, not knowing what to say, being very self centered, too busy, and on and on went my thoughts about the friends and loved ones of all these sick people. I lost friends because of my Fibromyalgia...some were affraid to be near me for fear of catching it. It seems to me it's not what the illness or affliction is that leaves so many without a pat on the back or a caring visit or phone call but their own fear of everyone who has something they themselves don't have and I don't see it changing any time soon for anyone whose ill. It's the lack of caring by society and it's the fast paced world and so many excuses we could write a book just on the excuses. I've heard them all.
Good Luck!!!
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Hi i checked out the Linden method. I downloaded it from the net just because someone else had mentioned it to. I read a bit about what he was talking about and listened to one of the audio files and I don't completely agree with what he has to say.
The jist of it is that you completely ignore and even deny the anxiety. He had actually mentioned burying it and spend all your time distracting yourself. I don't agree with this because burying any feeling makes it more internal which can affect you on more of a subconscious level and these feelings can just come up later and frankly i wouldn't want to be 60 years old and have all of my emotional garbadge come flooding back up.
However, there can be things you can get from this. There does come a time when you have to let it go and move on but i believe that time comes once you learn how to relax and handle an anxiety attack. It could come in handy after this program but i wouldn't suggest beforehand.
That fear book sounds good actually. Life is about balance and you can get benefits even from negativity or negative emotions. If you didn't have negative situations or feelings then you would never have to grow and change.
Mike
The jist of it is that you completely ignore and even deny the anxiety. He had actually mentioned burying it and spend all your time distracting yourself. I don't agree with this because burying any feeling makes it more internal which can affect you on more of a subconscious level and these feelings can just come up later and frankly i wouldn't want to be 60 years old and have all of my emotional garbadge come flooding back up.
However, there can be things you can get from this. There does come a time when you have to let it go and move on but i believe that time comes once you learn how to relax and handle an anxiety attack. It could come in handy after this program but i wouldn't suggest beforehand.
That fear book sounds good actually. Life is about balance and you can get benefits even from negativity or negative emotions. If you didn't have negative situations or feelings then you would never have to grow and change.
Mike
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Excellent point, Monty's mom. I've never seen that personally, but you're right in that it does happen. When it comes down to it, wouldn't we live in a better world if everyone jumped to helped out anyone who became ill despite the cause? The most important thing is the service to each other.
I shouldn't have posted in absolutes b/c there are exceptions in every facet of life. It just broke my heart to see a fellow sufferer be made fun of by her "friends" when I KNOW none of them could relate. She's been left to dangle and the same people JUMPED to help others.
I shouldn't have posted in absolutes b/c there are exceptions in every facet of life. It just broke my heart to see a fellow sufferer be made fun of by her "friends" when I KNOW none of them could relate. She's been left to dangle and the same people JUMPED to help others.