We need to start a thread called the Jim & David Agree to Disagree Friendship. LOL Oh well such is life. 
I stick around just to keep you inline Jim. LOL Have a pleasant sunday to all.
Earthquakes; Sign of the times?
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LOL! That's a great idea.We need to start a thread called the Jim & David Agree to Disagree Friendship.
What happened to the Indian words at the end of your threads? You're not going to start calling me wasitchu, are you? I've always liked the Native American stuff. I used to collect arrowheads. My room here looks like a cabin, with Indian statues, white buffalo picture, adobe house incense burner, etc. I've always been fascinated with the like. Take it easy David. Will disagree with you later, LOL! Jim 
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Jim2,
The Institute for Creation Research put together an article that debunks the erroneous earthquake numbers you cite (it seems the information you cite has become a bit of an urban legend). I did further research and found Actual USGS (U.S. Geological Survey) statistics that support the Institute for Creation Research article. Page 670 of the USGS link provides the actual earthquake recordings for 6.5 and higher earthquakes—in the time periods you point to.
Here are a few snippets from the Institute for Creation Research article: If you are not familiar with this group, here is their Mission Statement: “ICR equips believers with evidence of the Bible's accuracy and authority through scientific research, educational programs, and media presentations, all conducted within a thoroughly biblical framework.”
Here is their conclusion concerning your earthquake information:
“CONCLUSION
A number of prophecy teachers say that a pronounced increase in frequency and intensity of earthquakes has occurred in the latter part of the twentieth century, a worldwide trend fulfilling a prophecy made by Jesus. Contrary to these prophecy teachers, no obvious trend is found indicating an abnormal increase in the frequency of large earthquakes during the last half of the twentieth century. Neither is there a noteworthy deficiency of earthquakes in the first half of the century. Graphical plots of global earthquake frequency indicate overall a decreasing frequency of earthquakes through the century. The decades of the 1970s, 80s and 90s experienced a deficit of larger earthquakes compared to earlier decades of the century. The 70s, 80s and 90s are precisely those decades that many prophecy teachers suppose, erroneously, show a dramatic surplus of larger earthquakes. Regional earthquake data from California and Japan also do not argue for increasing earthquake frequency in the latter decades of our century.”
And here is a section that deals (I’m guessing) directly with where your source of information came from: Again, this is from ‘Institute for Creation Research’article:
“Hal Lindsey, the world's best known Bible prophecy teacher and author of 17 books on prophecy, writes in one of his latest books:
Earthquakes continue to increase in frequency and intensity, just as the Bible predicts for the last days before the return of Christ. History shows that the number of killer quakes remained fairly constant until the 1950s - averaging between two to four per decade. In the 1950s, there were nine. In the 1960s, there were 13. In the 1970s, there were 51. In the 1980s, there were 86. From 1990 through 1996, there have been more than 150. 1
What is the source of Lindsey's statistics? In his book Planet Earth 2000 A.D. Lindsey cites the United States Geological Survey (USGS) in Boulder, Colorado.2 Yet he does not give details of the report (author, date, report name, location, etc.).3 Lindsey's earthquake frequency numbers have been widely circulated by popular prophecy speakers such as Chuck Missler and Jack Van Impe.4 However, Missler and Van Impe do not give any further information on the source of Lindsey's statistics.
Grant R. Jeffrey, another Bible prophecy teacher and author of nine best-selling books, could be the source of Lindsey's statistics. Two years before Lindsey's statement was published, Jeffrey wrote:
However, since A.D. 1900, the growth in major earthquakes has been relentless. From 1900 to 1949 it averaged three major quakes per decade. From 1949 the increase became awesome with 9 killer quakes in the 1950's; 13 in the 60's; 56 in the 1970's and an amazing 74 major quakes in the 1980's. Finally, in the 1990's, as [sic] the present rate, we will experience 125 major killer quakes in this decade (Source: U.S. Geological Survey Earthquake Report, Boulder, Colorado).5
J. R. Church and Gary Stearman, editors of the magazine Prophecy in the News, argued that data show a pronounced increase in the frequency of the largest earthquakes in the 1990s. Church writes of a distinct increase in our century.6 Stearman gives specific numbers of earthquakes, and he cites as his source the October 11, 1995 issue of the newspaper Philadelphia Inquirer:
According to that newspaper the number of Richter magnitude 6.0 and greater earthquakes worldwide has been increasing from nine in the 1950s, to 13 in the 1960s, to 51 in the 1970s, to 86 in the 1980s, and to more than 100 in the 1990s.7
The computer-searchable archives of the Philadelphia Inquirer reveal no article on earthquake frequency in that newspaper on October 11, 1995 and no other issue of that newspaper during the decade of the 1990s.8 What is the source of Stearman's statistics? When several readers of Stearman's article confronted him with much more earthquake data than in the mysterious citation from the newspaper, he apologized in print for the bad statistics, but, then, after his apology, reaffirmed that earthquakes are indeed increasing.9”
For those who would like to read the entire Institute for Creation Research article…the link is: <A HREF="http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_sa_r06/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_sa_r06/</A>
And here is the USGS link. It provides 2 easy to read charts that provide the earthquake data. Click on “The Centennial Catalog (Engdahl and Villasenor, 2002) in order to see the earthquake data if you are interested: <A HREF="http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/data/centennial.php" TARGET=_blank>http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/dat ... ial.php</A>
JOP
The Institute for Creation Research put together an article that debunks the erroneous earthquake numbers you cite (it seems the information you cite has become a bit of an urban legend). I did further research and found Actual USGS (U.S. Geological Survey) statistics that support the Institute for Creation Research article. Page 670 of the USGS link provides the actual earthquake recordings for 6.5 and higher earthquakes—in the time periods you point to.
Here are a few snippets from the Institute for Creation Research article: If you are not familiar with this group, here is their Mission Statement: “ICR equips believers with evidence of the Bible's accuracy and authority through scientific research, educational programs, and media presentations, all conducted within a thoroughly biblical framework.”
Here is their conclusion concerning your earthquake information:
“CONCLUSION
A number of prophecy teachers say that a pronounced increase in frequency and intensity of earthquakes has occurred in the latter part of the twentieth century, a worldwide trend fulfilling a prophecy made by Jesus. Contrary to these prophecy teachers, no obvious trend is found indicating an abnormal increase in the frequency of large earthquakes during the last half of the twentieth century. Neither is there a noteworthy deficiency of earthquakes in the first half of the century. Graphical plots of global earthquake frequency indicate overall a decreasing frequency of earthquakes through the century. The decades of the 1970s, 80s and 90s experienced a deficit of larger earthquakes compared to earlier decades of the century. The 70s, 80s and 90s are precisely those decades that many prophecy teachers suppose, erroneously, show a dramatic surplus of larger earthquakes. Regional earthquake data from California and Japan also do not argue for increasing earthquake frequency in the latter decades of our century.”
And here is a section that deals (I’m guessing) directly with where your source of information came from: Again, this is from ‘Institute for Creation Research’article:
“Hal Lindsey, the world's best known Bible prophecy teacher and author of 17 books on prophecy, writes in one of his latest books:
Earthquakes continue to increase in frequency and intensity, just as the Bible predicts for the last days before the return of Christ. History shows that the number of killer quakes remained fairly constant until the 1950s - averaging between two to four per decade. In the 1950s, there were nine. In the 1960s, there were 13. In the 1970s, there were 51. In the 1980s, there were 86. From 1990 through 1996, there have been more than 150. 1
What is the source of Lindsey's statistics? In his book Planet Earth 2000 A.D. Lindsey cites the United States Geological Survey (USGS) in Boulder, Colorado.2 Yet he does not give details of the report (author, date, report name, location, etc.).3 Lindsey's earthquake frequency numbers have been widely circulated by popular prophecy speakers such as Chuck Missler and Jack Van Impe.4 However, Missler and Van Impe do not give any further information on the source of Lindsey's statistics.
Grant R. Jeffrey, another Bible prophecy teacher and author of nine best-selling books, could be the source of Lindsey's statistics. Two years before Lindsey's statement was published, Jeffrey wrote:
However, since A.D. 1900, the growth in major earthquakes has been relentless. From 1900 to 1949 it averaged three major quakes per decade. From 1949 the increase became awesome with 9 killer quakes in the 1950's; 13 in the 60's; 56 in the 1970's and an amazing 74 major quakes in the 1980's. Finally, in the 1990's, as [sic] the present rate, we will experience 125 major killer quakes in this decade (Source: U.S. Geological Survey Earthquake Report, Boulder, Colorado).5
J. R. Church and Gary Stearman, editors of the magazine Prophecy in the News, argued that data show a pronounced increase in the frequency of the largest earthquakes in the 1990s. Church writes of a distinct increase in our century.6 Stearman gives specific numbers of earthquakes, and he cites as his source the October 11, 1995 issue of the newspaper Philadelphia Inquirer:
According to that newspaper the number of Richter magnitude 6.0 and greater earthquakes worldwide has been increasing from nine in the 1950s, to 13 in the 1960s, to 51 in the 1970s, to 86 in the 1980s, and to more than 100 in the 1990s.7
The computer-searchable archives of the Philadelphia Inquirer reveal no article on earthquake frequency in that newspaper on October 11, 1995 and no other issue of that newspaper during the decade of the 1990s.8 What is the source of Stearman's statistics? When several readers of Stearman's article confronted him with much more earthquake data than in the mysterious citation from the newspaper, he apologized in print for the bad statistics, but, then, after his apology, reaffirmed that earthquakes are indeed increasing.9”
For those who would like to read the entire Institute for Creation Research article…the link is: <A HREF="http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_sa_r06/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_sa_r06/</A>
And here is the USGS link. It provides 2 easy to read charts that provide the earthquake data. Click on “The Centennial Catalog (Engdahl and Villasenor, 2002) in order to see the earthquake data if you are interested: <A HREF="http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/data/centennial.php" TARGET=_blank>http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/dat ... ial.php</A>
JOP
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Wow, thanks for the stats JOP! Looks like I'm wrong. You know, that's the problem with studying issues. It's like the so called "separation of church and state". If you study that, most christian writers claim the founding fathers were christian. Then there are some christians that claim they were agnostic. Then you have the atheists who claim they were agnostic, or otherwise. Then there are atheists that agree with the christians that they were christian, lol. Unless you have the actual documents, it's a hard call sometimes. But, JOP, there are other prophecies I believe that are being fulfilled. If you look through the spirituality section of this forum, there's one called Bible Prophecy. Kind of interesting. The recent earthquake we had here in Illinois was what prompted me to write the article to begin with. Anywhos, thanks for the heads up. Take it easy...Jim
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JMCCRCC. I think u hit the head rite on the nail. I am a perfectionist and I look in my church and I get very discouraged cause I am not like those ppl. I know we are not suppose to look to others but I dont read well so learning is trouble for me. I am very hands on,ish. SO it helps me to look for examples I know I am wrong here. BUT I dont live up to GODS standards. Or what I think are Gods standards. I am very frustrated. But I am very very afraid for the end times and they are coming at lightning speed now. I have Little to NO comfort in believing that I will be with the Lord somday. I am feeling like I am spinning my wheels. SIGH* I feel so stupid somdays. I feel like I cant get to heaven cause I dont read my bible. sigh. I am not sure that I can do anything rite. AND just to let u know. all of this is too deep for me. I need kindergarten terms. sorry for wasting your time.
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Good morning Jim, I asked for warm air and you sent it, complete with dense fog to boot. I can almost see the buildings across the road right now, but I know you tried. LOL
I took the words off because I didn't want to scare anyone into thinking our language was evil or something which pertains to it because it really isn't. Besides, I rarely use a signature anywhere on the internet no matter what board I'm on.
Because there isn't a word for religious or spiritual man in our dialect, I'd have to call you: waka wicasa (holy man) which btw can have several meanings such as one who is very spiritual.
Here are a few other words that one may find interesting from our language:
Holy Bible , Wowapi Waka
Holy Spirit ,Woniya Waka
Holy communion ,Yutapi Waka
There ya go a language lesson for the day.
Monica, as we'd tell you in the chatroom..."cut the crap". The only stupid question is the one that is never asked.
Have a great day everyone....not to slice my way through Jim's fog and get a few things done.
Wowahwa (Peace)
I took the words off because I didn't want to scare anyone into thinking our language was evil or something which pertains to it because it really isn't. Besides, I rarely use a signature anywhere on the internet no matter what board I'm on.
Because there isn't a word for religious or spiritual man in our dialect, I'd have to call you: waka wicasa (holy man) which btw can have several meanings such as one who is very spiritual.
Here are a few other words that one may find interesting from our language:
Holy Bible , Wowapi Waka
Holy Spirit ,Woniya Waka
Holy communion ,Yutapi Waka
There ya go a language lesson for the day.
Monica, as we'd tell you in the chatroom..."cut the crap".
The only stupid question is the one that is never asked. Have a great day everyone....not to slice my way through Jim's fog and get a few things done.
Wowahwa (Peace)
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Sign of the times.......it is scary and watching the world getting worse doesn't help, mostly to people with anxiety and panic. How do we not fear it? Having faith/belief/trust in what the Bible says that is your comfort. Throughout the Bible God protected his children for HIS purpose.
Like the pillar of smoke in day and fire by night to guide Moses. Or when He rained down food for his people in the desert.
Like when God protected Daniel in the den of lions. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego had faith God could deliver them. Just that story is 'awe'some testimate to God's protection.
There are so many stories in the Bible of God's love.
Isaiah 43:2-3 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. For I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your SAVIOR.
Jeremiah 29:11-14 For I know the plans I have for you, "declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon Me and come and PRAY to Me, and I WILL LISTEN to you. You will seek Me and find Me when you seek Me with all your heart. I will be found by you," declares the Lord.
Zephaniah 3:20 At that time I will gather you; at that time I will bring you HOME.
Hebrews 11:1 Now Faith is being sure of what we hope for and CERTIAN of what we do not see.
James 5:11 As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought aobut. The Lord is full of COMPASSION and MERCY.
Don't fear the end times - look towards the end result of the end time tribulations. Revelations 21:4-5 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and TRUE."
Romans 15:4 For every thing that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through ENDURANCE and the ENCOURAGEMENT of the Scriptures we might have HOPE.
Like the pillar of smoke in day and fire by night to guide Moses. Or when He rained down food for his people in the desert.
Like when God protected Daniel in the den of lions. Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego had faith God could deliver them. Just that story is 'awe'some testimate to God's protection.
There are so many stories in the Bible of God's love.
Isaiah 43:2-3 When you pass through the waters, I will be with you; and when pass through the rivers, they will not sweep over you. When you walk through the fire, you will not be burned; the flames will not set you ablaze. For I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your SAVIOR.
Jeremiah 29:11-14 For I know the plans I have for you, "declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. Then you will call upon Me and come and PRAY to Me, and I WILL LISTEN to you. You will seek Me and find Me when you seek Me with all your heart. I will be found by you," declares the Lord.
Zephaniah 3:20 At that time I will gather you; at that time I will bring you HOME.
Hebrews 11:1 Now Faith is being sure of what we hope for and CERTIAN of what we do not see.
James 5:11 As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought aobut. The Lord is full of COMPASSION and MERCY.
Don't fear the end times - look towards the end result of the end time tribulations. Revelations 21:4-5 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away. He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and TRUE."
Romans 15:4 For every thing that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through ENDURANCE and the ENCOURAGEMENT of the Scriptures we might have HOPE.
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