Blessings and curses.......

The spiritual response to anxiety and depression
Celeste1
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Post by Celeste1 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:42 am

Oh, Ivy... I can truly relate to a parent thinking they have "powers". My father is heavily involved in the occult and a year ago told me that a high priest in his "religion" told him that I would die of breast cancer! He told me that I would need to join this cult to be "saved" from dying. This cult does a lot of ceremonies that involve speaking to the dead and speaking to deities, sacrificing animals, and prophesizing. At the time I was not a believer in Christ so for a brief moment, I considered dishing out thousands of dollars to join this cult and be "saved". He actually tried convincing me that his religion is considered "Christian" but that it is shrouded in secrecy because many people look down on it! I have always been an anxious person but this was what started my downward spiral into a deep depressed state.

It wasn't until I started talking to christians about Jesus and the salvation that comes with believing in him that I was snapped back into reality. I have since become a born again christian and I have immersed myself in God's word and His grace. A friend lent me the book Jennifer is talking about and boy did it open my eyes!

Since my father is so involved with his religion, he claims he can see future events. The sad part is that he says he believes in God and doesn't think what he's doing is sinful, evil, or wrong. Sometimes when we're talking on the phone, he'll "fish" for details about me. Afterwards he'll say, "yea, I kinda already knew that you were having problems." Although I don't believe him or his religion, I can't help but to think, "what if this evilness CAN predict future events and what if I WILL die from breast cancer?" I have since asked my dad to stop bringing up anything dealing with the occult in our phone conversations.

It's hard to differentiate between genuine concern from a parent and "occultish" activity. Has your mom always been like this? Is she involved in any of the things that I mentioned above? Maybe this book will make things clearer for you. I know it did for me. Take care.

In Christ,
Celeste

"Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?"
Jesus Christ
Matthew 6:27

Jennifier
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Post by Jennifier » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:02 am

I feel as though that Satan uses your mom to make you worry that she knows something that you don't know. Your not suppose to counsel with the unrightous. I am not saying to not talk to her but when she says stuff like that I would tell her that God has your back and that nothing bad is going to happen to you. I wouldn't allow her to say such things to me I would stop her dead in her tracks. I would tell her that she must have been feeling things from something else, and that your God isn't going to allow anything to happen to you, your family, or your marriage. When someone gets visions God tells them what someone needs to know. God wouldn't have told her something was wrong without telling her what it was. That is the whole point for a vision. Your mom might also be daydreaming things she herself is worried about. But a VISION NO! I have visions in dreams and I know what I need to know to help someone. I think that you need to bind the words that are spoken towards you from your mother. I am feeling like she is the reason for most if not all of your anxiety. A person looks to their mother for guidance and it seems to me that you can't get that from her. Remember that the enemies intent is to break up the families. Kill, steal and destroy are things that satan does here. DO NOT allow him to do these things to you. I am sure that you think maybe your husband might be running around on you after she says stuff like that and then you aren't as close to your husband or you two may even start arguing. You also aren't close to your mom in the sence that when she says things like that you get mad and then start to worry. It is satan trying to break you and your family down. Let me say a prayer so that God can take that out of your life.....

Dear Heavenly Father I am asking for Ivy's mother to stop making her think that she has "visions" from you and that there might be something wrong. I pray that you will bind these things up in the name of Jesus and keep her from being able to do any harm with her words. I pray that you will release her from feeling anxiety and any worry or conflict that her mother begins to put on her. I pray that you will break all the generational curses that her mom has passed to her and that you will guide her into the light. I pray that you will allow Ivy to recieve the visions if it is something that she needs to know from you. I pray that you will bind her mothers tongue from being able to speak anything that will allow her mother to put any doubt or anxiety into her mind. I pray that she will have peace about it all and if her mother has nothing positive to say that she won't even call Ivy at all. I pray this in your name Lord Jesus! Thank you! Amen

Just remember that your mother isn't walking with God so she isn't a very good source for any help. I am not talking down on your mom at all and I will be praying for her but my mother in law did these things to me but with different things and I now don't talk to her at all. I put an end to it after years of her putting curses over her children and it was almost like she didn't care. When she talked about my daughter it was the end of it! I would tell your mom that you don't want her to call you and tell you that she feels something is wrong and if she doesnt stop then the choice is up to you to continue talking to her. Please dont let her take your joy from you! You said that her sisters don't talk to her at all and maybe these things are some of the same reasons that you are experiencing now. I would pray for God to show you what to do. The Lord wants you to come to him for guidance through all of the things you go through so this also might be him wanting you to come to him for help. Either way nothing is going to happen to you and your marriage is going to grow stronger along with the relationship with the rest of your family! Don't let satan make you worry, worry is not of God! God bless you and if you need anything don't hesitate!

Celeste1
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Post by Celeste1 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:14 am

When someone gets visions God tells them what someone needs to know. God wouldn't have told her something was wrong without telling her what it was. That is the whole point for a vision.
So true, Jennifer!!! But what about in my case where specifics were told to my dad? Is this considered a vision? Is it true that demons can not prophesize?

"Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?"
Jesus Christ
Matthew 6:27

Enlightened
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Post by Enlightened » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:13 am

Thanks Jennifer for posting this read... Derek Prince was an awesome minister who had a great healing and deliverance ministry...


Celeste- regarding prophecy, true biblical prophecy speaks of direction or a phenominal blessed event that God is about to perform in your life. Yes a person who is Holy Spirit filled may have a dream of warning... but for a person to prophecy a person's sickness unto death with a condition that they must join a cult is totally not from God and could only be from the adversary....

There is a certain degree of spiritual authority that a parent has over a person's life. A father can pronounce a blessing and a father can pronounce a curse. Since your father is in the occult, I would advise you to renounce and render null and void any of the words that have been spoken against your life from 'high priest' and your father.... Just simply pray the prayer that Jennifer gave you and add :

"By the power invested in me through faith in Jesus Christ and by the Blood of the Lamb, I now renounce and render, null and void, any and all of the words that have been spoken against my life through the occult group leader and my father, in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth. I am in Christ, I have a right to be free, I have been redeemed from the Curse for, as it is written, "cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree"... Christ Jesus has paid the price with the blood that he shed for my life and I declare and degree that the curse spoken is rendered NULL and VOID, right NOW, in Jesus Name AMEN"

And likewise, I plead the blood of Jesus against any and all retailiation in Jesus name AMEN,
Enlightened

Celeste1
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Post by Celeste1 » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:20 am

Thank you, Enlightened for the prayer. I prayed it and feel my doubts have lessened. I know as Christians we must always have faith but since my walk with Christ is relatively new, I find my faith slips from time to time. I notice during these times I become more fearful and anxious in general. Once my faith is renewed by reading God's word, my fear and anxiety dissolve. I know this is just one of the many awesome powers that the Lord uses to guide His children. Thank you again.

Celeste

"Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?"
Jesus Christ
Matthew 6:27

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Post by Ivyheart <>< » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:21 am

Thank you both so much Jennifer and Celeste!
Everything I read made so much sense.....these are things I should know, but beacuse it is my mom....I get soft! Everything you guys said was exactly right! I have to stand strong in that TRUTH! This has been going on since I was very young! It goes back generations. WhenI was little my mom use to make things happen to me(so she says, I still have trouble believing). When I was about 11 I was in my room doing hair with my curling my hair. I sat in the floor in front of a mirror. I had just put my curling iron down when I leaned over to reach for something and the curling iron stuck to the side of my leg. I yelled and cried, before my mom even entered my room I heard her giggling, she knew what happened with out even seeing it. She said something along the lines of"you shouldn't have set your school book on fire and you wouldn't have gotten burned"
See earlier that day my friends and I were walking home from school being typical troublemakers....one of my friends took matches out and we set my social studies book on fire.
How she knew I'll never know. But that was her way of punishing me.I still have the scar. Most likly looking bck on it all, it was pobably just an accident, maybe I just believed what she said and it was all a lie, not powers at all! Now that I am a mom myself, I realize she could have found out many ways. But my mom said she had a "vision" saw it all when it was happening.
That is just one of many situations. Even now as I write this I get anxiety. I need to release so much to Jesus. I can feel it!

Jennifer what you said about my mom being a lot of the cause of my anxiety, I truly believe as well. I always get unsettled when I am visiting her at her house. There is a wall between us, a distance. Like somethinging is telling me to not get to close, to not let my guard down. I keep our conversations short. I deal with a lot of guilt because she is so ill, Lupus among many other issues. I feel guilty because it is almost impossible for me to feel compassion for her. It kills me that when she tells me the latest the DR. has diognosed her with, I just say"I'm sorry mom" but for some odd reason I feel little concern. I know I probably sound like a MEAN person. But usually I am very sensitive to peoples hurts and needs. I just wonder why??? Thank you for being in prayer for her, I need to believe that she can be saved! And maybe we can have a relationship like most moms and daughters.

I am venting away and I am sorry, it;s hard to open up to people in my life about this stuff. They look at me like we have a nutty family! I just really want to thank you both for sharing your situations and what you have done to get through it! I cherish the prayer Jennifer!
Enlighten- when I read the prayer you added to Jennifers....I filled with tears and goosbumps.
I am so thankful for you all! Thank you for passing on and teaching what God lays on your heart!
I am praying for you all!

God Bless,
Ivy

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Post by Jennifier » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:19 pm

Ivy,

After reading your message I realize all the things that you are dealing with. Your mom may have been doing something called astro-projection which is where someone in witchraft can leave their body and go other places. I did a study on it a few years ago. That could be a way that your mom was knowing things. She could have also made that iron move and hit your leg. If that is the case you need to pray pertection over you. You need to pray the blood of Jesus over you all the time along with your whole family. Nothing can harm you over his blood. That is really serious stuff. I hate to know that someone has done such things. Because you are a child of God the things that are done against you now have no effect. You can break all the curses because you are a child of God. I am so glad that you have turned to the Lord and not to the ways of your mom. I have studied alot on occult practices because people in my husbands family have practiced such things. Like knowing things that were happening and way worse. I annointed my house and I pray the blood of Jesus over my family and nothing can be done to us now! I didn't know that at first and my husband and myself went through alot of stuff that Jesus could have saved us from. I hate that all of those things have been cursed on you. Please get the book it will tell you all about the witchcraft that is in your family. Anything that has to do with the occult that has been passed to you by your mom or anyone else in the occult needs to be thrown out. I would pray for the Lord to show you anything that could have a curse on it and get rid of it. I had to throw out alot of things myself. Please annoint your house here is a prayer if you don't know one..

"Jesus, by faith I anoint me, my spouse, the children, the cars, the dogs and this home, windown and doorways and declare thema ll holy unto you and ask that you would cleanse us and this home of every unclean spirit and human spirit that does not bleong here. In the name of Jesus, Satan, I bind you, I bind you hindering spirits, I bind you spirits of the prince of the air, I bind you evil forces, I command you to take your hands off of our spirit soul and body, heart, mind, and emotion and material things;off of the children, the cats, the dogs, and this hime. I bind your mouth and your power and command you to be gone forever. Jesus, I pray for the anointing of your blood, the surrounding and protection of your Holy Spirit over me, my spouse, the children, the animals and the home, the windows and the doorways and ask that you would protect us from any attack of the enemy whether in spiritual or physical form, in your name, Jesus, amen."

Ivy there is also alot of books on spiritual warfare to help you learn more. Bob Larson has alot and they helped me with my study. Satans demons can move object and do things like lock doors which has happened to me without there being anyone to lock them and it being a lock that you had to be inside to lock that was before I knew how to get rid of any spiritual things and before I was annointing my house. I grew alot over the years with the Lord and I just did the study on the curses and the blessing that was my latest study. You can look up some information on the occult by googling it. I got some information from there. You should look up it by putting in Christian studies on the occult because if you put it in any other way then you will get into their actual site and I think that could open you up to trouble. That is just my opinion.

Celestel there are visions from God that are done by Christians that proclaim that Jesus is Lord. There are also visions that are a curse put on your life by someone in an occult. It isnt a vision at all. It is someone curseing you with disease, death or something that is not of God. Remember that if it isn't of peace, love, and kindness then it is not of the Lord. Any time someone is telling you something is going to happen to you they are putting a curse on you and then if you allow it to then it could happen. That is because they spoke a curse. Just like Enlightened said you need to pray what she wrote. You have to see where it is coming from. You don't have to ever join anything to get rid of a curse and I praise God that you didn't choose that path! That is something that you should tell the prayer group for the praise report! Anyways, doing some studyies on biblical prophecy or on visions from the Lord online might be able to help you some but watch and make sure the site that you go to is from a Real Christian perspective. Make sure that they believe in Jesus Christ because even sites that talk about God aren't always talking about the one and only true God! Be cautious of the sites but they can help if they are the right ones!

Enlightened thank you sooo much for answering Celeste1. I wasn't 100% sure how to anwer the question, good thing for me is you had already answered before I checked this again. God must have known!

God bless all of you! I love our prayer group! Celeste1 are you in the prayer group?

Jennifier

Celeste1
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Post by Celeste1 » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:03 am

Hi Jennifer and thank you for your reply. No, I'm not in the prayer group. I wasn't aware that the forum had an actual group. Do you meet at certain times/days? I would love to join in next time you guys meet! I am calmed when I speak to other Christians about our Lord. For example, we go to church every Wednesday in addition to Sundays, to participate in fellowship, choir, and youth activities. There are some Wednesdays that I'm stressed, anxious, or just plain grumpy. After I leave though, there's this perfect "release" and calm over me. I can't explain it but it's an effect that no xanax, glass of wine, or person can ever match. It's great.

Ivy,
Wow. The story you told of your mom and the curling iron is eerie. My dad never claimed he had "powers" until a few years ago. See, he and I don't live in the same state so we do a lot of talking on the phone. I was in my 20's when he started talking about having dreams and visions. He claims he knew that 9-11 was going to happen before it did. I don't believe him since he reveals his visions AFTER the event happens. He's made claims that my husband and I will divorce before 10 years of marriage, that we’ll have problems with finances, and that we’ll have a third child. My husband and I have been married for five years and as of yet, have not had a third child. As far as finances, who doesn’t have problems? But we are able to eat three meals a day, pay all of our bills on time, and still have enough for fun things like Disney World.

It's hard having a relationship with someone who constantly challenges your faith in God. He claims he is a child of God but without a changed heart and changed actions/behavior, he's still dead in his sins. So I know exactly where you're coming from with your mom. And believe me, you’re not the only one who shies away from talking about such things for fear of people thinking your family is wacky. Feel free to share anytime you want. It helps to get it off your chest. Take care. :)

Celeste

"Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life?"
Jesus Christ
Matthew 6:27

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Post by Jennifier » Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:45 am

Celeste1,
We meet on Wed nights on the phone. The number is 1-866-633-6958 the passcode is 5808848. It is at 10pm EST time. I am centeral time and I call in at 9pm. I know you live in Florida so it might be the same as me. We would love for you to join our group.

Please dont let you dad curse you with financial burden or marrage problems. Please end that curse with the prayer that enlightened gace you. When someone speaks something over you then it is put into the spiritual realm and then that is why us as christians have to break the curses because we have to end it before the devil can come in and destroy any of those things!

Here is a prayer for protection over those things.

Lord Jesus I as you to put a hedge of thorns around my marriage and family. I pray that we will be married for the rest of our lives. I pray a hedge of thorns around my finances and I pray that you will keep the enemy from getting in the way of anything that you have planned for my life that is of you. I pray that you break all generational and spoken curses over my life. Please Lord keep my dad from saying anything that would add any curses to my life. Lord thank you in your name Jesus Christ. Amen!

Celeste1 don't allow your dad to speak anything bad over you family. It is only from satan if it is talking about the destroying of your marriage and finances. It is not of the Lord when it is killing, stealing, or destroying anything. Only Satan wants to steal your finances or destroy your marriage. That would be a curse. STOP IT DEAD IN IT'S TRACKS! I will keep praying for you and remember that if it is God's will you will have a third child and that is only a gift from God!!!!!! I saw my daughter before she was born and so did my mom. I knew how she looked and I saw her at the age that she is now. I had a dream about her and yes she looks the same as I told everyone of my dream! Some God speak to through dreams. Some also have visions you just have to know where the source is coming from. But if they aren't a follower of Christ it is a curse they are putting on your life. I would have to do more studying on that because I know the difference and it is hard for me to answer it to someone that doesn't! Hopefully someone can answer it a little better than I can right now. I will do some studying though and I will let you know what the Lord tells me. God Bless you, your family,your marriage, and your finances!

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Post by bevhembree » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:34 am

I just bought the book The Power of a Praying Wife. You just reminded me that should include all of our spouses, sigificant otherse in our prayers as they can be our rock (or possibly a downfall) but they are only human and they need strength and perserverance to help us and be there when we need them. Thanks!
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