Gman...You really touched my heart by your post above...I love the Lord with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength, and I am proud to say that I am one of His own...I did not earn The Holy Spirit...It was a free gift God gave to me...I know my God is not an Indian-giver...And, I know that His precious blood was sufficient for me....
I am crying as I write this...You have touched the very core of my heart...Thank You So Much
God Bless!!!!!
obsessive thought that will not go away.
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Thanks Ms T Bones and StagerLee,
I know the tears you must have shed were tears of joy little sister. It came to me from His heart to mine to yours. Believe it! Let's make sure that it is God that get the Glory. I am human, but I am open to Him to use me in any way He needs or wants.
BTW, Ms. T Bomes, I tried to PM you but no luck.
I have to tc my kitties.
TC all,
I know the tears you must have shed were tears of joy little sister. It came to me from His heart to mine to yours. Believe it! Let's make sure that it is God that get the Glory. I am human, but I am open to Him to use me in any way He needs or wants.
BTW, Ms. T Bomes, I tried to PM you but no luck.
I have to tc my kitties.
TC all,
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I do not want to step on toes here but where is everyone going with this one? Just curious and can I just say for the record here that this has nothing to do with god at all. Yes he is present in all things but he has also given us the tools to help ourselves and this program is a big one.
Now onto the subject at hand.
Obsessive thoughts.
Do not try and replace the obsessive thoughts on this one, just tell your mind that you are going to put the thoughts off for awhile and you will make a decision when you have finished the program.
Here is my theory. I think that no decisions should be made on anything that is so near and dear to your heart at this time. I believe that you should continue the program and possibly take a hiatus on hunting and fishing. Try and take a mental break from it for awhile if possible and while it is causing you so much stress, and most importantly until you have completed the whole program. I do believe that the obsessive thoughts are strictly your anxiety kicking up and taking your mind to a scary place to avoid dealing with the real issue (which could be as simple as standing up to someone for example, or changing jobs etc.). If you cannot prove that these thoughts are 100% true (and 100% of the time they are false to the degree that we obsess about them in the first place) beyond a shadow of a doubt then by simple deduction they must be false. They cannot be anything other. Also you are the same person you always were and if fishing and hunting have always been a passion of yours then they always will be and these feelings and obsessive thoughts are temporary. For example someone that is as normal as normal gets thinking about cutting someone else with knives, thoughts comparable to what Lucinda herself has experienced. This thinking is distorted and way off base but feels very real and scary for the person having the thoughts. When the anxiety subsides the obsessive thoughts do as well. This is a guarantee and I have been through the program and have had obsessive scary thoughts as well and after the program was completed the thoughts dissapated just as fast as it took them to show up. If you were to give up fishing and hunting I would bet you 100% that your mind would focus in on something else to obsess about beit a person or another passion etc.. because in all honesty it is not the event that is the issue here it is strictly the anxiety and you may very well not be able to see that until the anxiety is under control. In closing please keep in mind that the fact that you are wrestling with these obsessive thoughts in itself is a great clue to the validity of the thought. When you are free from your anxiety your thoughts will not scare you period. They just won't and the fact that they are says that they are not accurate, or realistic in any way.
Hope this helps
Now go catch a big one (after you have finished the program of course)
lol
Now onto the subject at hand.
Obsessive thoughts.
Do not try and replace the obsessive thoughts on this one, just tell your mind that you are going to put the thoughts off for awhile and you will make a decision when you have finished the program.
Here is my theory. I think that no decisions should be made on anything that is so near and dear to your heart at this time. I believe that you should continue the program and possibly take a hiatus on hunting and fishing. Try and take a mental break from it for awhile if possible and while it is causing you so much stress, and most importantly until you have completed the whole program. I do believe that the obsessive thoughts are strictly your anxiety kicking up and taking your mind to a scary place to avoid dealing with the real issue (which could be as simple as standing up to someone for example, or changing jobs etc.). If you cannot prove that these thoughts are 100% true (and 100% of the time they are false to the degree that we obsess about them in the first place) beyond a shadow of a doubt then by simple deduction they must be false. They cannot be anything other. Also you are the same person you always were and if fishing and hunting have always been a passion of yours then they always will be and these feelings and obsessive thoughts are temporary. For example someone that is as normal as normal gets thinking about cutting someone else with knives, thoughts comparable to what Lucinda herself has experienced. This thinking is distorted and way off base but feels very real and scary for the person having the thoughts. When the anxiety subsides the obsessive thoughts do as well. This is a guarantee and I have been through the program and have had obsessive scary thoughts as well and after the program was completed the thoughts dissapated just as fast as it took them to show up. If you were to give up fishing and hunting I would bet you 100% that your mind would focus in on something else to obsess about beit a person or another passion etc.. because in all honesty it is not the event that is the issue here it is strictly the anxiety and you may very well not be able to see that until the anxiety is under control. In closing please keep in mind that the fact that you are wrestling with these obsessive thoughts in itself is a great clue to the validity of the thought. When you are free from your anxiety your thoughts will not scare you period. They just won't and the fact that they are says that they are not accurate, or realistic in any way.
Hope this helps
Now go catch a big one (after you have finished the program of course)
lol
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I really have to agree with the above comment. I think this is an obsessive thought. If you quit doing these things it would just switch to another thought. Just because it gives us much pleasure doesnt mean that God wouldnt want us to do it. That is your passion and something that relaxes you. Keep us updated and I wish you the best. Will say a prayer for you~~~
[QUOTE]Originally posted by not:
"I do not want to step on toes here but where is everyone going with this one? Just curious and can I just say for the record here that this has nothing to do with god at all. Yes he is present in all things but he has also given us the tools to help ourselves and this program is a big one."
Greetings,
I'm not sure where everyone else is going with this. I only know that PHILLYKISER was asking questions concerning himself and God in reference to things like peace, surrender, salvation, and the will of God. I was simply answering his questions by sharing things in a way that I thought would be helpful. After all, isn't the title of this section called "Spirituality for Anxiety & Deprssion." He was asking spiritual questions and I was answering him along those same lines. I'm sorry to hear you say, "This has nothing to do with God." How can you say that God is present in all things and at the same time say that something has nothing to do with God? This is one of the points I was trying to make. All that we are and everything we think and do should have something to do with God. I agee with you that God can use tools in the hands of man in an effort to help one another, but that doesn't mean that we should leave Him out of the picture. What better place is there to go other than the Bible, the instruction and maintenance manual of love from the the One who created us and who is the answer to all our questionings? This is why we need to be dead to "self" and alive in Christ so that He can live out is life in us. Naturally, everyone is not going to believe in the Bible or agree with what I say, but that is another point that I was trying to make. We have the freedom at all times to choose.
I have no desire to argue with Gman5256, but because he was the one that replied in the way he did in reference to what I posted, I feel the need to comment back on some things later when I have the time. I simply do not want people to be misled about my post because of what he was saying. I want to share and make sure things are clearly understood and I will say nothing more afterward unless I am asked.
Thank-you all for sharing your thoughts.
God Bless!
"I do not want to step on toes here but where is everyone going with this one? Just curious and can I just say for the record here that this has nothing to do with god at all. Yes he is present in all things but he has also given us the tools to help ourselves and this program is a big one."
Greetings,
I'm not sure where everyone else is going with this. I only know that PHILLYKISER was asking questions concerning himself and God in reference to things like peace, surrender, salvation, and the will of God. I was simply answering his questions by sharing things in a way that I thought would be helpful. After all, isn't the title of this section called "Spirituality for Anxiety & Deprssion." He was asking spiritual questions and I was answering him along those same lines. I'm sorry to hear you say, "This has nothing to do with God." How can you say that God is present in all things and at the same time say that something has nothing to do with God? This is one of the points I was trying to make. All that we are and everything we think and do should have something to do with God. I agee with you that God can use tools in the hands of man in an effort to help one another, but that doesn't mean that we should leave Him out of the picture. What better place is there to go other than the Bible, the instruction and maintenance manual of love from the the One who created us and who is the answer to all our questionings? This is why we need to be dead to "self" and alive in Christ so that He can live out is life in us. Naturally, everyone is not going to believe in the Bible or agree with what I say, but that is another point that I was trying to make. We have the freedom at all times to choose.
I have no desire to argue with Gman5256, but because he was the one that replied in the way he did in reference to what I posted, I feel the need to comment back on some things later when I have the time. I simply do not want people to be misled about my post because of what he was saying. I want to share and make sure things are clearly understood and I will say nothing more afterward unless I am asked.
Thank-you all for sharing your thoughts.
God Bless!
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Hi and Good morning to all,
Whatever Please, just follow the link and advance the song to "Whatever" and that is all I will have to say on this matter, and consider it closed. I do so in respect to the wishes of some, as it seems the subject is turning incomfortable in the minds of a few. I can understand and appreciate that.
Nevertheless, I do think Gil, and I, though we seem to be on opposing sides of a civil discussion, were surely being responsive to what we both saw as a concern of Philly's. We just have different views on philosophies of the subject matter. Moreover, I think it was our over riding agape love that motivated the responses provided by all here.
Philly, in the end it is our belief "In Hope" and our heavenly Father's Grace and Forgiveness that sustains our Hope..
Bottom line, Philly, please be kind to yourself and don't beat yourself up about this anymore. We all love you and want to see you victorious in your struggle against these "demons of disorder". WHATEVER
TC and God Bless all of you,
Whatever Please, just follow the link and advance the song to "Whatever" and that is all I will have to say on this matter, and consider it closed. I do so in respect to the wishes of some, as it seems the subject is turning incomfortable in the minds of a few. I can understand and appreciate that.
Nevertheless, I do think Gil, and I, though we seem to be on opposing sides of a civil discussion, were surely being responsive to what we both saw as a concern of Philly's. We just have different views on philosophies of the subject matter. Moreover, I think it was our over riding agape love that motivated the responses provided by all here.
Philly, in the end it is our belief "In Hope" and our heavenly Father's Grace and Forgiveness that sustains our Hope..
Bottom line, Philly, please be kind to yourself and don't beat yourself up about this anymore. We all love you and want to see you victorious in your struggle against these "demons of disorder". WHATEVER
TC and God Bless all of you,
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My comments were strictly tongue and cheek. I do believe that thoughts of whether god, anxiety or the devil is talking have nothing to do with god in the respect that god would never make us choose the things we love and enjoy over him especially as harmless as these hobbies are and it is strictly the anxiety talking and not god moving through him so to speak. Of course I believe god is present in all things including my response to the authors post. I still feel the actual problem of fishing, hunting and giving it up for god was being somewhat overlooked. This is certainly just my opinion. Yes this is "Spirituality for Anxiety & Depression" but thats not all it is, it is also a place to vent and get questions asked and hopefully answered to some degree. I believe the real dilemma was if these passions should be given up to find inner peace and in my opinion these very same passions BRING inner peace not take it away. The authors comments such as ("I can't tell if I am overreacting or if God is really telling me to get rid of it.") and("reocurring and I can't seem to replace them with positives becasue I feel that God might be telling me to quit hunting and fishing and all the things that have brought me joy.") and also ("How do we honestly know if it is God, anxiety or the devil speaking this at us.") and ("I talked with a pastor yesterday and he said that if you don't have inner peace about it then it is the holy spirit telling you to move and change course.") And again in my own personal opinion all of these comments need to be addressed. In my opinion any pastor telling anyone to give up fishing and hunting because he does not have inner peace with it, even though it has always brought him joy and peace in the past and the holy spirit is telling him to move and change course is just ridiculous and I believe should be questioned. This pastor has probably and most likely never experienced anxiety in any depth to where it is disrupting one's life. These thoughts are disrupting the authors life and so they cannot be valid and need to be addressed. My post was not directed at any one person or there response to this authors post and was strictly tongue and cheek so to speak. Never intended to upset anyone however, I do believe the actual questions in the post need to be elaborated on as they were actually asked in the authors post. I wanted to elaborate on them and I am not saying anyone else should or even needs to. I think all of the posts were great and extremely enlightening and enjoyable to read.
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Here is a challenge for anyone who wants to particpate. I would like to have the scriptures that back up both ideas calvanist and armenian. I don't want people to get into an argument over this I would just like to know the truth of the matter and maybe I won't come to a clear answer on this but I would sure like to try and figure it out. I hear soo many preachers speaking of the once saved always saved, I am not sure I totally agree with it. I believe we can always give that gift back that Christ gave us, I am not so sure that if we mess up and commit a sin that he would send us to hell for it. I think it is more of a turning away from God and totally rejecting him something that I do not want to do. After reading Nots post I tend to agree with him on the thought process. I have had this happen in the past where I will obsess over something usually a sin or something imperfect in my life and once I have realized what I am doing to myself it goes away. This has been the cycle for me my entire life. I used to think that everything I said was a lie so I had to say maybe after everything in order not to feel the panic feelings about it. Its crazy, I feel like I am doing the samething to myself again with the whole hunting and fishing thing, but I want to be sure. would like to keep the discussion going on the calvanist belief though. I have been studying this and I am trying to figure it out for myself. I was raised in a very strict church very down home I guess you could say. To the point where contemporary christian music was not accepted. They are getting past this now and we are growing. My preacher just preached on Grace last sunday, and ever since I started having these last panicky feelings It seems that I have been bombarded with the whole Grace idea that God forgives and keeps us even if we mess it up. I just want to be sure of it in my heart that God is actually pointing this out to me in my life and i am not just lying to myself.
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the way i understand the word is that God is ou father. what does a parent do if their child makes a mistake? He will correct you and maybe chasten you in order to teach you, but He doesn't dis-own us because we messed up. I believe we can dis-own Him, but thats a deliberate thing. He knew we were messed up when He made us! How cruel would it be for Him to kick us to the curb because we fell down?