I've read a few posts here commenting about how God will not allow more burdens than we can bear. You know honestly, this is not true and
I just felt I needed to say something. The Bible does teach however that God will not allow us to be TEMPTED beyond what we can bear.. a completely different issue..
I used to believe this same exact teaching too but if you look in the Bible you will find this teaching is false. It wasn't until I came across Steve McVey's Grace teachings that I started to investigate that one on my own.
Take a look at this link to this issue from Steve McVey, look up the scriptures he reads from and any others that you may find on your own and form your own conclusion.
All in all, I believe God does allow more to come on us than we can bear so that we will become broken and put our complete dependence on Him. Through the process He promises His strength, mercy and grace.
<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgdpgIarAaY" TARGET=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgdpgIarAaY</A>
Regards, Peace 1
Burdens will be greater than you can bear...
Peace 1, thank you for prompting me to search this one out 
I love a challenge and hey, it keeps me "in the word" right? I do understand that God USES our "trials and tribulations"(such is life) to build our faith in him= PERSEVERANCE... and I do understand that "temptation" is a whole different subject. (he will not tempt us as temptation is by OUR own sinful desires and GOD cannot be tempted nor tempt.. with Evil as he is HOLY)
I too have heard,my entire life, that "God will never give us more than we can handle"... and I too have used that phrase in many posts. I personally believe that the meaning of this is
For every situation we encounter in the life, no matter how big or small, there is a way OUT/through it..and that is through Jesus Christ..through prayer..through the reading of Gods word. and in the "word" we will find all of his promises and direction. This will give us "peace that passes all understanding" while in our "afflictions". Certainly, a Mother that has lost a child cannot say, "This wasn't MORE than I can handle", right? so with that in mind, it is possible that we may perceive a situation "more than I can bear"...But through faithfulness and leaning on our everlasting Rock(Jesus Christ) he will give us peace and rest..as we walk through the fire(trials and tribulations) and our faith is built up and we persevere through our lifes struggles.
anyways, I hope that explains my belief on this. again, I thank you for your post, it's important to see "others" views and search them for ourselves. That's what we are supposed to do.
God bless you and have a blessed day!
Robin
I love a challenge and hey, it keeps me "in the word" right? I do understand that God USES our "trials and tribulations"(such is life) to build our faith in him= PERSEVERANCE... and I do understand that "temptation" is a whole different subject. (he will not tempt us as temptation is by OUR own sinful desires and GOD cannot be tempted nor tempt.. with Evil as he is HOLY)I too have heard,my entire life, that "God will never give us more than we can handle"... and I too have used that phrase in many posts. I personally believe that the meaning of this is
For every situation we encounter in the life, no matter how big or small, there is a way OUT/through it..and that is through Jesus Christ..through prayer..through the reading of Gods word. and in the "word" we will find all of his promises and direction. This will give us "peace that passes all understanding" while in our "afflictions". Certainly, a Mother that has lost a child cannot say, "This wasn't MORE than I can handle", right? so with that in mind, it is possible that we may perceive a situation "more than I can bear"...But through faithfulness and leaning on our everlasting Rock(Jesus Christ) he will give us peace and rest..as we walk through the fire(trials and tribulations) and our faith is built up and we persevere through our lifes struggles.
anyways, I hope that explains my belief on this. again, I thank you for your post, it's important to see "others" views and search them for ourselves. That's what we are supposed to do.
God bless you and have a blessed day!
Robin
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I agree with Robin on this one.
Obviously there are things we can't get through alone...but the whole point is....nothing will come upon us that we can't bear! Thank God!
"Praise be to God who ALWAYS causes me to triumph."
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."
The list goes on and on!
Obviously there are things we can't get through alone...but the whole point is....nothing will come upon us that we can't bear! Thank God!
"Praise be to God who ALWAYS causes me to triumph."
"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me."
The list goes on and on!
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Peace 1, I did watch the "youtube" presentation. Although his opinion on this subject was understandable and searchable(to me anyway) I have a problem with how quick he is to call the church or teachings a "LIE". Is it truly a LIE(which is something willfully done in sin) or perhaps a misunderstanding/not knowing..(ignorance) and we need to search it out ??? You KNOW that there is scripture that some of us have leaned on so long that gives us the idea that God will "never give us more than we can handle" Cor.10:13 (Mr.Mcvey also refers to this scripture) perhaps we need to look closer into it??? instead of being accused of "LYING"?? therefore, I can hardly call church teachings "liars and lies" can I???? Lying is a WILLFUL transgression..Ignorance is simply not understanding the whole concept, if you know what I mean? It is NOT us to judge our neighbor("LIARS") however it is our duty to "work out our own salvation, with fear and trembling"..we are called to love and keep in peace. Not in arguments and name calling. Just an observation, with all do respect. I had to voice my "opinion" on this one. Again, thanks for posting and encouraging me to "meditate on this word"..
Blessings~
Robin
Blessings~
Robin
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Hi mom of 6.
I THINK I understand your point. Perhaps it depends on how you look at it.. First of all I I am totally fuzzy brained today, so if I'm not getting it, please excuse me.. I do want to know the truth.
What I think you are saying is that you believe God WILL NOT allow more than we can bear because we have Him to help, protect and get us through.. I think what Mr McVey is solely trying to say, is that IN AND OF OWN ABILITY, God WILL allow more than we can bear.. so that then we will turn to Him and burn off any self sufficiency, pride, and increase our faith etc.. If we DECIDE to not turn to Him and try to handle things and make decisions on our own we could increase our sufferings (I'm sure we've all been there, done that LOL) but, if we DECIDE to submit and turn to Him, He will help us to bear the weight of it.. He is our burden bearer..
Anyway, I understand what you mean about being bothered about it being called 'Lies'. I personally don't feel Mr. Mcvey is accusing and saying that those teachers/preachers that are teaching this way are lying to us - in a LITERAL sense.. I think as you said, they would be more ignorant or deceived as you mentioned. I think what McVey is trying to say is that the teaching itself is a falsehood and one can believe a 'lie' and not know it and even spread it to others with good intentions. As another example, I am sure each one of us is believing a lie about something or someone (reason for anxiety disorders!!!) that we think is true. Now we wouldn't call ourselves liars because we don't believe they are...but in ESSENCE they are... Am I making sense or am I losing everyone ? LOL
Mr. McVey has admitted to believing and preaching this 'lie' himself, and I think he would tell you that he didn't know any better himself because he just believed what he was taught. It wasn't until he started to do his own meditation on the subject that he changed his view.
All in all, it really is a good lesson anyway to read the Bible ourselves instead of blindly following what the pastor says just because he's some high powered, well respected preacher or teacher we hear on the radio, or watch on TV.
We think they know it all and it's just so easy to let them do all the work.
Anyways, I look forward to your reply and
thank you for having this discussion with me.
REgards, Peace 1
I THINK I understand your point. Perhaps it depends on how you look at it.. First of all I I am totally fuzzy brained today, so if I'm not getting it, please excuse me.. I do want to know the truth.
What I think you are saying is that you believe God WILL NOT allow more than we can bear because we have Him to help, protect and get us through.. I think what Mr McVey is solely trying to say, is that IN AND OF OWN ABILITY, God WILL allow more than we can bear.. so that then we will turn to Him and burn off any self sufficiency, pride, and increase our faith etc.. If we DECIDE to not turn to Him and try to handle things and make decisions on our own we could increase our sufferings (I'm sure we've all been there, done that LOL) but, if we DECIDE to submit and turn to Him, He will help us to bear the weight of it.. He is our burden bearer..
Anyway, I understand what you mean about being bothered about it being called 'Lies'. I personally don't feel Mr. Mcvey is accusing and saying that those teachers/preachers that are teaching this way are lying to us - in a LITERAL sense.. I think as you said, they would be more ignorant or deceived as you mentioned. I think what McVey is trying to say is that the teaching itself is a falsehood and one can believe a 'lie' and not know it and even spread it to others with good intentions. As another example, I am sure each one of us is believing a lie about something or someone (reason for anxiety disorders!!!) that we think is true. Now we wouldn't call ourselves liars because we don't believe they are...but in ESSENCE they are... Am I making sense or am I losing everyone ? LOL
Mr. McVey has admitted to believing and preaching this 'lie' himself, and I think he would tell you that he didn't know any better himself because he just believed what he was taught. It wasn't until he started to do his own meditation on the subject that he changed his view.
All in all, it really is a good lesson anyway to read the Bible ourselves instead of blindly following what the pastor says just because he's some high powered, well respected preacher or teacher we hear on the radio, or watch on TV.
We think they know it all and it's just so easy to let them do all the work.
Anyways, I look forward to your reply and
thank you for having this discussion with me.
REgards, Peace 1
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Peace1,
If I may add to this debate...
...can we truly say that God allows evil to happen?
Logically speaking, if Gods nature is love, and God allowed evil to transpire, would that not mean that God is not love?
Thus, God allowing evil to happen must not be true.
Rather, evil is a reflection of the fallen nature of not only ourselves as human beings, but also the fallen world in which we live. Evil is the absence of good. Evil needs good to survive. Evil is a parasite.
Good survives without evil.
Wars, murder, crime...these are examples of evil by human hands. Famine, natural disasters, etc are evil from the fallen natural world.
C.S. Lewis, whom I am really paraphrasing here, deduced that it is the fact that we have FREE WILL that allows evil to exist.
If God made us without free will, he argues, humanity would be nothing more than robots- functioning solely on a basis of God pleasing. But with free will, humanity has the choice to either accept God or not. He will not interfere. He will be right there, by our sides, waiting in case we should stumble and call out for him, but not swaying the factors involved one way or the other.
Simply put: sufferings, disease etc are all reflections of the fallen nature of man and the world in which we live. God, through the miracle of free will allows us to choose...are you with him, or against him?
With him, and you can do anything.
Against him, I pray for your soul.
So, I believe it is flawed thinking to believe that God will cause manifestations of evil to take and overcome anyone.
If I may add to this debate...
...can we truly say that God allows evil to happen?
Logically speaking, if Gods nature is love, and God allowed evil to transpire, would that not mean that God is not love?
Thus, God allowing evil to happen must not be true.
Rather, evil is a reflection of the fallen nature of not only ourselves as human beings, but also the fallen world in which we live. Evil is the absence of good. Evil needs good to survive. Evil is a parasite.
Good survives without evil.
Wars, murder, crime...these are examples of evil by human hands. Famine, natural disasters, etc are evil from the fallen natural world.
C.S. Lewis, whom I am really paraphrasing here, deduced that it is the fact that we have FREE WILL that allows evil to exist.
If God made us without free will, he argues, humanity would be nothing more than robots- functioning solely on a basis of God pleasing. But with free will, humanity has the choice to either accept God or not. He will not interfere. He will be right there, by our sides, waiting in case we should stumble and call out for him, but not swaying the factors involved one way or the other.
Simply put: sufferings, disease etc are all reflections of the fallen nature of man and the world in which we live. God, through the miracle of free will allows us to choose...are you with him, or against him?
With him, and you can do anything.
Against him, I pray for your soul.
So, I believe it is flawed thinking to believe that God will cause manifestations of evil to take and overcome anyone.
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Hi there. Sorry for my late reply. I am a bit down in the weather and hope you don't mind if I just send a link that could explain much more indepth on why God allows evil. I believe this article speaks the truth.
<A HREF="http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/evil.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/evil.html</A>
If I may just add something to what the article says, I also recall the story of Job.. Satan
told God that Job only praised and worshipped Him because he was so blessed and had everything.
Satan then challenged God that if everything we taken away from Job, then he would curse God. Since God is in control of everything, He had to allow Satan to sift Job. Of course, He set the limits. But in the end, because Job did not turn away from God ("Though He slays me, I will serve Him"), he was given a double blessing in the end. (:
Regards all, Peace 1 ( :
<A HREF="http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/evil.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/evil.html</A>
If I may just add something to what the article says, I also recall the story of Job.. Satan
told God that Job only praised and worshipped Him because he was so blessed and had everything.
Satan then challenged God that if everything we taken away from Job, then he would curse God. Since God is in control of everything, He had to allow Satan to sift Job. Of course, He set the limits. But in the end, because Job did not turn away from God ("Though He slays me, I will serve Him"), he was given a double blessing in the end. (:
Regards all, Peace 1 ( :
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Peace1,
But in that statement, you said 1) "God is in control of everything" and 2) "...Job did not turn away from God..., he was given a double blessing in the end".
You just proved my point.
Ofcourse, God is in control of everything. He always has been. But Job CHOOSE to follow God, inspite of all of the trials, pains, and sufferings inflicted upon by the great evil.
God did not make Job follow him. He allowed Job, of his own FREE WILL, to select God or to surrender to evil.
By following/ choosing God over the devil, Job was blessed.
I think that too often today (myself included), we expect that because we follow God and read our Bibles that we are immune from pain, suffering, and such. I am beginning to believe that these trials are actually a purification-type of process for a higher purpose.
Sometimes, it is pain and suffering alone that snap me out of my worldliness and help me to return my focus where it truly belongs...on Christ (like this anxiety, for instance).
I do not believe that God causes or is somehow involved with allowing life's difficulties to overtake us more than we could handle. I believe that we were given a FREE WILL to choose right from wrong. I believe that evil exists to test us, to ensnare us, to distract us from the truth. As the Bible instructs, we are to flee from evil as it "prowls like a lion" looking to devour those in its path.
Now if we were to be overtaken by evil, how would we possibly be able to flee?
But in that statement, you said 1) "God is in control of everything" and 2) "...Job did not turn away from God..., he was given a double blessing in the end".
You just proved my point.
Ofcourse, God is in control of everything. He always has been. But Job CHOOSE to follow God, inspite of all of the trials, pains, and sufferings inflicted upon by the great evil.
God did not make Job follow him. He allowed Job, of his own FREE WILL, to select God or to surrender to evil.
By following/ choosing God over the devil, Job was blessed.
I think that too often today (myself included), we expect that because we follow God and read our Bibles that we are immune from pain, suffering, and such. I am beginning to believe that these trials are actually a purification-type of process for a higher purpose.
Sometimes, it is pain and suffering alone that snap me out of my worldliness and help me to return my focus where it truly belongs...on Christ (like this anxiety, for instance).
I do not believe that God causes or is somehow involved with allowing life's difficulties to overtake us more than we could handle. I believe that we were given a FREE WILL to choose right from wrong. I believe that evil exists to test us, to ensnare us, to distract us from the truth. As the Bible instructs, we are to flee from evil as it "prowls like a lion" looking to devour those in its path.
Now if we were to be overtaken by evil, how would we possibly be able to flee?