Another low

MrCleveland · Post by **MrCleveland** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:46 am

This winter was one of the worst winters that I've ever had. I'm now an atheist because I was praying to God to help us financially, and my parents 'borrowed' money from me, over $2500 which I'll never see again. God betrayed, forsaken, and deceived me and my family by making us poor!

I have given up on God and I will seek similar spirits such as a Fortune-Teller and ask what my future holds, because things have gotten worse before they got better.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:40 am

Have you ever considered that God puts us in these situations to teach us, not torment us? Instead of being mad at God maybe you should use your current situation (I say current because things always change) and learn from it. Teach others about it and thank God for showing you what you need to learn. Sometimes even the best prayers are left unanswered. Just a thought!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 3:32 am

Try the Serenity Prayer....many times a day! I know it has helped me, as I am not a real religious person, but it has taught me a lot about life!

Also, when I was involved in church...I was taught that WE SHOULD NEVER PRAY FOR MATERIAL POSSESSIONS... to this day, I do not.

If you voluntarily lent money, you voluntarily took the chance that it may not be paid back; that goes with the deed, my friend.

Thus, you cannot blame God for this act... just my opinion.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:53 pm

mr cleveland,
I don't believe God "does" anything bad to us. I don't want to preach to you (I wouldn't want someone to do that to me) but I do believe our circumstances are for some reason...maybe beyond our understanding. I do know that God is with you, suffering when you suffer, rejoicing when you are happy, and wiping your tears when you are sad. He loves you and will not abandon you. I know we don't always understand "why" certain things happen to us, and get frustrated when we call on God for help and don't see an immediate answer. Please do not think I am trying to minimize your suffering because I am not! I just know that God works in mysterious ways. Here are a few quotes that maybe can articulate better what I am trying to say:

"Have faith. Sometimes things fall apart so that better things can fall together."

"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."
-Jeremiah 29:11

"The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you."

Lastly, I encourage you to read the following links:

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I hope this helps and I will keep you in my prayers.
God Bless

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 2:56 am

MrCleveland, you sound much like a spoiled child who did not get what they asked for and will now throw a fit. Sorry to be so blunt. If you are so sure God is the cause of your circumstances why consult anyone else on them! Be assured God will NOT buy your faith and love and interfere with your freedom of choice. Belief is a choice and you are exercising that choice, whether you are an atheist or not is totally up to you, it is in no way dependant on God doing what you want. God never betrays, forsakes, or deceives, you have the wrong Being in mind, Satan however, always betrays, forsakes, and is called the High Deceiver. Of course, a fortune teller would be glad to tell you exactly what you want to hear. I am very sorry that this was one of the worst winters you have ever had, keep reading and posting on this forum, many of the people here have suffered and been through many years of difficulties. People here know what rough times are. Be encouraged no bad time lasts forever. You can find great encouragement here. God will never give up on you!! Please do not let the stress of your circumstances turn into anger toward your Creator, He loves you very much. Money comes and goes, as so many people are learning during this recession. You cannot rely on Money to be your strength and comfort, it will for sure let you down. Keep reading and posting. Brian

scrappymom · Post by **scrappymom** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:27 am

MrCleveland,
I pray you have changed your mind about God since you posted your message. I am sure things happen for a reason and when we get to Heaven we will know why. For instance, my home burned in 2007 and it devastated me because it was my dream home and still looked new even though I had lived there for 23 years. We lost everything but my husband did get out and I was at work. I felt shocked and probably needed to be in a hospital. I procrastinated and finally got the insurance info completed almost a year later. My daughter had already planned a large wedding for Dec. 07 and our home burned March 3, 07. My husband had back surgery in Aug. 07 and I felt overwhelmed by everything. I never blamed God but I will have to admit I wondered why me? We are now rebuilding and it is a slow process. I am afraid I will not feel the same but I will try. If you can, watch Charles Stanley's program called "In Touch." He is excellent and knows the bible so well. See, my home burned and it was to maybe help me or someone else. I know I don't want to collect anything any more. I would like to show God's love through me and I try to daily. I have had lots of trials and tribulations but God will help us through them. We are here for a few seconds compared to an eternity with God. Please try to see how He tries to protect his children and be a believer. You might be an atheist and get material things but not thru God but it would be Satan causing it. Feel free to reply to me privately if you want. Also, Gman has been a big help to me. We are here to show our love for god and give strength to others. I have been depressed and a negative thinker my whole life but I am slowly changing and want to live for Christ.
God Bless you, jcat

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:41 am

Mr. Cleveland...God does Not betray, forsake or deceive us...God is faithful...Maybe, you are being tested...If so, I do not feel like you are coming close to passing the test...As for a fortune-teller, in my opinion, that is the worst thing possible you could do for yourself. I, also, think that you have our God confused with the tactics of Satan. Satan is the one out to deceive, tear down and destroy. Jesus came to build up...Remember without faith, it is impossible to please God. He also wants us to wait upon Him...be patient...

I honestly do not understand why people blame God for the bad things that happen to them...God is not the author of these things...

I can only imagine how Jesus must feel by you turning around in the complete opposite direction...Remember, one day we must stand before Him, and give account for our deeds done in the flesh..That would be the last thing I would do...turn to some fortune teller...I pray that you use your "common sense" in this matter...God is Good!!!!! And, He is Faithful to those who call upon Him in earnest...I believe you must have the "born again" experience to even have a personal relationship with Jesus....I suggest if you have never known Jesus as your personal Savior, that you begin seeking His face...He said, "Seek me and Ye shall find me...Knock and it shall be opened onto you!" If you will seek Him with all your heart, and come onto Him as humble as a little child, then, He will in no like-wise cast you out!!!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:02 am

I'm now an atheist because I was praying to God to help us financially, and my parents 'borrowed' money from me, over $2500 which I'll never see again. God betrayed, forsaken, and deceived me and my family by making us poor!

I have given up on God and I will seek similar spirits such as a Fortune-Teller and ask what my future holds, because things have gotten worse before they got better.

First of all, Mr. Cleveland is NOT Atheist..Nor will he be. If you read his quote, he says that HE has given UP ON GOD! Mr. Cleveland is ANGRY at God! He believes there is a God, just doesn't see the future that God has in store for him and that can get frustrating!

I will pray for you

I too am going through some major depression and I also question it all. HOWEVER, I WILL NOT in NO WAY surrender MY soul to Satan! He is seeking to devour and he will do it at our most vulnerable times.
I LOVE this quote "I would rather live as if there were a God and in the end find out there Isn't than to live as if there were NO God and in the end find out there IS"....or something like that, do you get my point????

Don't give up Mr. Cleveland! You're giving in to the situation and you NEED to fight the NEGATIVE attitude you are having! Pull out your program...journal...change the self talk...Put this program to USE!

Still praying for you and God bless YOU! No matter how much you want to give up on him, HE will NEVER give up on YOU. Life is rough for ALL OF US here Mr. Cleveland. But most of us are hanging on to the only HOPE we have and that is God, Jesus, Yshua..whatever you want to call him...HE IS GOOD..even in the middle of the storm. I WILL NEVER FORSAKE HIM!!! I have tooooo many blessings...my LIFE, my SPOUSE, my CHILDREN, my FAMILY...I will NOT give in to the POOR ME attitude again...I'VE COME TOOOOOO FAR to go back now!

Peace be with you

Oh and P.S.
Do you have children???? will it be that easy for you to NEVER teach them about Gods wonderful creation and his plan for THEIR lives???? The HOPE in the after life which is HEAVEN? The thought of telling my children that I was wrong all these years..there is NO God..all the hope we had in a 'great reward" is false...that just saddens me deeply...what would I do to my children?????
I don't know how one can "believe" there is a God and then Give up that belief, especially when they have children(which are a gift, a MIRACLE of Gods"....just a question my friend

Again, Still praying

Robin

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:50 am

I feel that my prayers are made of rubber. I pray to God to help my parents financially and I hear nothing. God should be fired from his job, he's not doing his!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:05 am

I too sometimes get angry with God and I sometimes want to give up on Him. But I haven't yet. I am very depressed sometimes and I feel that God is helping me get through the depression. I know He answers my prayers and He will help me get my ideas across to other people. I hope you reconsider giving up on God. He will help you if you put your faith in Him. He has helped me alot and He will continue to help you. Contrary to some of the postings I have read, I do not believe that strong arm tactics are the way to get someone to reconsider what they said about God. That being said, I hope you will give God another chance as He will come running toward you if you come toward Him.