The Challenge...Lesson 2

These 6 simple steps are designed to dramatically change the life of anyone who suffers from the debilitating effects of anxiety and panic attacks.
NinjaFrodo
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Post by NinjaFrodo » Tue Sep 07, 2010 3:09 pm

I'm going to recover, I am recovering, each and everything I do makes me more recovered. I will do everything I possibly can to recover in the most healthiest way because I refuse to live a life based on fear, anxiety and depression anymore. How I did things in the past doesn't work anymore

THH
Was which all spam? I'm not exactly sure what it is you are refering to.

Wow 6 months now eh. Didn't you start the program in april though?

Sounds like you got alot out of lesson 2 then eh? Good to reaffirm everything.

I actually have recovered at one point so that could be true. This was a couple years before the program and it was very short lived though but i have. By the way those are all very good affirmations THH.

Good analogy with the bike...I honestly can't even remember learning how to ride a bike. You had the fear that you couldn't do it at that age?

Ya very military like, it made me afraid. I don't think i could ever be a robot or a military guy.



Searunner

Yes that is fine that you edited the quote. The purpose is to keep up the motivation so the wording isn't as important.

That was an amazing description of your purpose and I can definately tell that you are willing to do whatever it takes. I also can tell from everything else you put in your post.

Very good on the thought replacement.

I hear you on the panic attacks and being more mindful of the choices we make when we start to feel anxious. I've done the autopilot thing so much and since I have generalized anxiety its like my whole day is autopiloted except for when i post on the forums. And good think for us is that team Awesome can help to cultivate this kind of control within ourselves by sharing experiences.

Yes i remember Dr.Fischer saying that too and at one point I had actually got to that part where its exciting to face limitations but i'm not sure what happened (perhaps not relaxing enough or sleep issues which lead me to believe that this stuff wasn't working...dunno) and i would fall back into my old patterns. Could you imagine if you were to face a limitation that others would find impossible and think this is going to be fun?

Funny how perceptions can change with time eh?

Great so you faced your limitations, expected to feel anxious, accepted it, made a decision to address it in a positive way, you made progress but didn't go onto the ramp but focused on all the stuff you did accomplish and looked at the reality of the fact that you have an unlimited number of chances to take risks. Thats Amazing! This is only day 1 of the challenge too!

I can't wait till I'm at that stage too where i'm more accepting of it. I still have lots of resistance.

The sleep is still an issue for me but being sick definately helps motivate me to get to sleep earlier. I kept reaching a plateau and you know what i think i was resisting the relaxation stuff for fear of falling asleep or being too tried to continue my day. Its kinda funny actually because one thing that made me avoid sleeping was because i was afraid i wouldn't be able to get to sleep but then I was afraid to use the relaxation cd because it could have made me fall asleep but then i told myself i'm too tired to use the relaxation when i wanted to go to bed.

Mike
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Post by SeaRunner » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:01 pm

THH and Mike -

Thanks for the great responses. THH, thank you for complimenting my posts. I've been told before that I write well. The ironic thing is that I hate doing it! I purposely went into the field of engineering to avoid writing. And what do you suppose I spent the first seven years of my engineering career doing? Writing reports.

Mike, I look forward to that day when I can look at facing a fear and see it as an exciting challenge. I've experienced momentary glimpses of it so I have a small taste of what it might feel like, but I'm still quite some distance from that point.

My therapist gave me an idea a while back that I've tried a few times to address getting in relaxation or meditation when very tired. It was something she called walking meditation. The idea was to do the relaxation exercises or meditation while slowly walking. The mild exercise is enough to keep you awake but not enough to distract you from your focus on clearing the mind and releasing stress. I'll have to try it again.
"Common things occur commonly. Uncommon things don't. Therefore, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras." -- C.J. Peters

Lindalee
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Post by Lindalee » Tue Sep 07, 2010 6:23 pm

I am going to recover, I am recovering, each and everything I do makes me more recovered. I will do everything I possibly can to recover in the healthiest way because I refuse to live my life based on fear, anxiety, and depression anymore.

My house is up for sale and someone came to see it today

Negative thoughts
1.I haven't cleaned the house or the yard or the barn enough, they won't like it because its dirty and cluttered and my house won't sell because I'm lazy and disorganized.


* I have cleaned a lot( they should have seen it before,LOL), I am not lazy or totally disorganized. I have been hampered by anxiety and depression, of course I haven't accomplished what I want, this is part of the symptoms of this condition. I'm working on recovery and I will get better.

2.I'm fat and out of shape.
*Of course I've gained weight, I was using food and sleep to comfort myself and deal with stress. I have a new plan and have already cut down on sugar, caffiene, and started exersizing. I will have more energy and I'm likely to lose weight.

3.I have lost 6 beloved pets in the past 3 years, 2 since Mar, the last one a week ago.It's not fair, why is God doing this to me?

*There is no "fairness" to life. The people in my life are healthy. God is not punishing me,
he will comfort me through my saddness if I let Him.

I pretty much just kept rethinking those same negative thoughts, and at times countered them, and other times just let myself sob, I'm home alone now so I can just sob whenever.

GOALS
I want to be able to drive on the highways, anywhere,any time, with passengers or alone. I want to be able to drive after dark. Doing so would set me free to join in on activities and gatherings I'm not able to go to. I also want to be able to be a passinger in a car and not nag them or panic. I want to be calm enough to truly evaluate the situation.( I don't have to ride with people who really don't drive safely)

I want my confidence back for horseback riding. I didn't have any accident or even a fall, but I have become afaid to ride. I fear the fear, because I have scared my horse by being afraid while riding- she feels my fear reaction and then she becomes afraid and starts spooking and then I get more afraid..etc.

Each day I spend stuck in my tiny safe zone is a day I haven't fully lived,

I haven't been using the relaxation cd. I often get muscle spasms in one or the other of my legs while I listen to it and do it.It's very uncomfortable. Does anyne else experience this?

THH
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Post by THH » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:31 am

Mike, All the shoe ads in your new thread about the challange. They are gone, so it must be.

I actually started the program in March, but didn't come on line till April. I didn't think I would have time and I was totally afraid to write a post. I would read other peoples post and finally was motivated/brave enough to reply. :)

Oh yes I was afraid as a child. It was taught to me. I see that now. It was not anyones fault. When you don't know any better you do things like that. They thought they were protecting me.

SeaRunner, LOL....On the writing. It figures don't it??? But you are well spoken. ;)

My additional goals are
1) Keep practicing living in the moment.
2)Keep up with my meditation
3) Keep reconizing when I'm getting more anxiety,and working to release it.

I really liked the way Searunner put it:
I've become so used to immediately reacting to a panic attack ( for me anxiety) that I've forgotten there is a moment in time where I can stop and decide how I want to handle stress. I would like to work on being more mindful of the choices I make when I start to feel anxious. When I just go on autopilot, I'm not always making the best decisions. I have some habits that need to be broken and others that need to be reinforced.
I need to aquire this in my hard drive! I slightly personalized it for me. I still have times I feel too much anxiety. Even though I have kept it from going to a attack I know I can do better. Positive: I have done better, it takes time.

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:36 am

I'm going to recover, I am recovering, each and everything I do makes me more recovered. I will do everything I possibly can to recover in the most healthiest way because I refuse to live a life based on fear, anxiety and depression anymore. How I did things in the past doesn't work anymore

Searunner

It is a great feeling to be excited for challenges, that is when anything becomes possible for us. Also great suggestion to do the walking meditation. That is actually one of the action assignments which i'll be doing once i get over this dumb cold.

Lindalee

Nice to have you on the team.

Good thought replacements. I can definately relate to the rethinking part of that even after replacing the thoughts. Did you try using slow breathing as soon as you realized those thoughts and then use the replacements? It helps to reduce the time spent on those thoughts and the frequency they come up.

Ah so you have alot of anxiety around traveling in a car and you want to overcome this. You also want to overcome your fear of fear and trust yourself too. Those are pretty good goals. Lucky for you, you aren't the only horse lover in this team :)

Good point about how you mentioned being stuck in your safe zone isn't a day fully lived. I agree with this fully and it really gets boring to live life like this. We can use this as motivation to work on our skills.

Interesting about the muscle spasms in your legs while listening to the relaxation cd. Does this happen throughout the whole thing or just with the progressive muscle relaxation aspect? If its just the PMR then just skip tensing that area right now and spend some time during your day (when your not using the relaxation cd), to apply heat to the area and some self-massage to get more blood in the area and then try again later.

THH

Yes those shoe ads were spam. I forgot about that guy already.

Oh ok thats cool. I think alot of people are like that but I cannot relate myself. I bet you're glad you overcame that fear.

Yeah its just a bunch of programing people have in their heads and it is so ingrained they don't even think about it or if it is good or bad.

Good goals THH. I'd say you are the person to look up to in this team because you have overcome alot of the big obsticals and are very consistent with the skills and have become really good at them.


Mike
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Post by mcshope » Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:37 am

I'm going to recover, I am recovering, each and everything I do makes me more recovered. I will do everything I possibly can to recover in the most healthiest way because I refuse to live a life based on fear, anxiety and depression anymore.

Today is the day, I will be going to the job interview. I need to start getting out of the house.
It is funny that it takes a lot of energy to simply get out, but once I am out and the anxiety is gone, I hardly want to get back home. I also have to go to Wal-mart, so maybe, after the job interview, I will do some shopping.

Yes Mike, my son has a lot of stuff, to much for my taste. One room is his bedroom, the other room is for his computer stuff. He is back in school, going for a degree in computers.
The reality is that my husband and I have the same problem, we keep too much stuff. Little by little I have been sending stuff to Goodwill.
I wish I could get to the point of only keeping the things I really need and use.

I want you all to know that I really appreciate all your postings, it makes me feel better to know that I am not alone in this journey. Thanks for being here.

I'll let you know how the interview went.

Hope
"Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its trouble, it empties today of its strength." – Unknown

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:45 am

I will recover, I am recovering, each and everything I do makes me more recovered. I will do everything I possibly can to recover in the most healthiest way because I refuse to live a life based on fear, anxiety and depression anymore. How I did things in the past doesn't work anymore


Wednesday;

11am Relaxation cd;
I felt a little more positive and calmer but my mind was wandering quite a bit.

Relaxation cd;
Felt good about myself for doing it and alot of wandering mind again. The PMR was a blur but i think i focused more on the imagry at the end which was good. It dropped me down at least 1 or 2 points on that 1-10 scale of anxiety so that was good.


Read lesson 2;
Some things that stuck out for me are that
after you experience external anxiety, you then become concerned with your body feeling sand symptoms. You think about them to the point where you actually start to scare yourself with them. This creates internally generated anxiety...you become so caught up in wondering "What's wrong with me?" that you become bewildered and confused..."whats wrong with me? Am I going to faint? Am I going to lose control and do something stupid?
Its funny because I try to accept the anxiety and float through it but at the same time i keep saying to myself "how long is this going to last", "am i going to lose control?" and "Its not going away fast enough".
When you are beginning the anxiety cycle, it is a signal to you to accept that something is bothering you. Try to pinpoint what it is and then take action to eliminate some of the anxiety by doing and saying positive things....The depressed person blames himself for not taking action which increases his self-loathing and further insures he will not be able to act.


Negative thoughts;
1)I'm such a bad person, I went to bed really late yet again and slept in late and wasted the day.
->This is a 15 year habit so i'm more likely to go to bed really late and wake up late and thats alright. I still have lots of time in my day and many opportunities to change this habit. This is a behavior pattern its not me.

2)I will never become good at using the 6 steps
->This is like any other skill in which I'm not likely to be really good at when I first start but will get better everytime I do it. I cannot jump from A to B, I have to put the effort in and make that journey and accept myself throughout the whole process. I cannot not make progress if I keep trying.

3)If I stop using my coping skills then I won't have any excuses and I will have to do new things all the time. I won't be able to handle it and I will have to do them even if I don't want to
->I am in control right now and I will be in even more control when i let go of these useless and ineffective coping skills i have been doing. I will want to do new things and I will still take care of myself and listen to my body when it says I need to rest or slow down.

4)I'm never going to be able to handle social situations comfortably or situations where I find someone attractive and want to get to know them, the anxiety will be too great and I will just embarass myself.
->Right now I'm not at a stage where I can comfortably do that but I will continue to grow with my skills and I know it isn't actually the situation that causes me the anxiety, it is just the perception of the situation. When I become more comfortable with anxiety and the fear of fear then situations like this will be a breeze. This will take time, I allow it to take time and I accept myself and my progress during that time.


6 steps;

Woke up this morning feeling really tired and exhausted and was feeling afraid it would stay like this forever. I used breathing for a minute or 2 and my mind kept trying to wander and I would use some positive self-talk and it help a little bit. It's going to take some time to get good at it.

I noticed i was feeling really anxious about washing the dishes I had just used and after reading lesson 2 I decided to start asking what it was that is really bothering me. Well I'm actually afraid of becoming exhausted and that staying for the rest of the day. Has anybody else had this problem as well?


Action Assignment;
Used the action assignment where they say to use post cards when you feel stressed. Focus on all the little details and see how you feel after 10 minutes. Well i didn't do it for 10 minutes but i did it for like 1 or 2 minutes and it distracted me well and I did notice i was feeling less stressed and anxious.

Mike
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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:56 am

I'm going to recover, I am recovering, each and everything I do makes me more recovered. I will do everything I possibly can to recover int he most healthiest way because I refuse to live a life based on fear, anxiety and depression anymore

Good luck with the job interview and maybe shopping would be a great reward for you. Buy yourself some nice clothes or something.

My Grandma was like that too. She would keep many things and wouldn't throw out anything. It was crazy and I think in some way a kind of comfort and coping mechanism for anxiety. Not saying this is the case for you though. Good you are taking action to send stuff to goodwill. Too much stuff can actually look very overwhelming and make us even more stressed. You can get to the point of keeping only the things you really need and use, it is just another habit and we can create habits it just takes some time thats all.

I agree all the postings here so far are very good and it is alot more motivating doing this as a group. It's not so easy to come up with all the answers by yourself or deal with problems alone. I think this was a great idea!


Mike
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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:24 am

I'm going to recover, I am recovering, each and everything I do makes me more recovered. I will do everything I possibly can to recover in the most healthiest way because I refuse to live a life based on fear, anxiety and depression anymore. How i did things in the past doesn't work anymroe

So i've been thinking just about how I've been living my life on a daily basis and have realized there are many things that I do that I really do not enjoy doing but feel I have to do it in order to cope with anxiety, in order to keep my mind from going towards a panic. Some of these things i enjoy doing but not at the frequency I do them and sometimes I do these things when I don't feel excited or even the slightest bit interested in doing them. Heres the list;

1)Listening to music everytime I walk somewhere especially if it is the same music i've been listening to on my mp3 player on a daily basis for the last couple of months.

2)Go on the computer for hours and hours on end

3)Play videogames for hours and hours on end

4)Obsessively think about the past suffering I endured in my teenage years. I fill myself up with anger, resentment, sadness and bitterness and I rerun these fantasizes of revenge over and over and over again.



Mike
Here is the link to the Letting Go thread which is designated for venting
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Post by mcshope » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:18 pm

I'm going to recover, I am recovering, each and everything I do makes me more recovered. I will do everything I possibly can to recover in the most healthiest way because I refuse to live a life based on fear, anxiety and depression anymore.

I did it!!!
Went to the interview, it went great, I couldn't believe it.
Thanks for your support
"Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its trouble, it empties today of its strength." – Unknown

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