Blasphemous thoughts, can i still reconnect wth my God

volcano · Post by **volcano** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:21 am

Hi, i am new to this site, i happened to see it for the first time last nite. I had a problem wth blasphemous thoughts when worshiping God in church and when reading the bible. Eventually i started having blasphemous thoughts towards the Holy Spirit. ever since that time, i have never felt God's presence in my life the way i used to b4. My brains are no longer that good i struggle to grasp and recall information, this was not the case b4.I am studying a degree now which i was supposed to have completed in 2007, i repeated, 2nd, 4th year now i am repeating 5th year, so demoralising. when i go to bed and close my eyes i see complete darkness.I think i have commited the unpardonable sin and i am scared of going to hell becos fire is damn painfull. I still go to church, i pray, read the bible but sometimes i wonder if really God listens to me when i pray. My spiritual life is completly different to the way it was before. People if u have blasphemed the Holy Spirit in ur mind is that really the unpardonable sin.Anyone who can explain what the unpardonable sin is? The worried one, pls help

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:45 am

hello, i understand your pain. I am by no means the strongest christian you have ever met i used to be stronger, but i know what your going through, i had the same thoughts at a time in my life where i was the closest to God i have ever been. First of all know that the fact that you are concerned shows you are saved. Second of all OCD type minds usually involve thoughts that are unwanted they tap into things that mean alot to you and if you read these post alot of people are scared they will hurt themselves of their kids or will go crazy or die. All things that are important to them. In my experience what happens is after you let these thoughts linger for along time they become a mindset and then everything you think or experience is filtered through that mindset, it is kind of like that old saying you see what you want to see. What helped me get out of those dark times was eveytime a thought that was blasphemous came into my mind i would say no sometimes verbally, and mind you for the first few days i was saying know all day which looking back is kind of funny but that what it took to face the thought and decide to say literally no im not gonna think that thought. Now there are alot of different opinions on that subject, in fact there are some scholars that believe that the unpardonable sin is uncommitable now a days. That it was for those people that saw firsthands the work of the holy spirit through Jesus and said they were works of the devil, and it seems alot of those people in that story were pharisees and jewish leaders who were apart of the prophecy that said that "He will be rejected by his own" (IN SO MANY WORDS) meaning the jews will not believe in Him and ultimately have Him crucified. Really what it boils down to is that if you reject God then He has no choice, free will, but take heart my friend the fact you are concerned proves you have not committed this sin even if you could have. I did not give details into my thouhgts because i did not want to give your OCD more ammunition...lol...but trust me they got really realy bad until I started to face them and say no. God loves you rest in that and read 2 tim. 1:7 and 1 john 1:9 and actually believe them with your heart even if your mind cant grasp them you will be ok. GOD BLESS

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:47 am

Volcano - The content of thought is not the issue. Try to see this. God does not punish or condemn (as far as I am concerned). God loves us 100% - no matter what and understands the dilemmas we face as human beings. This is my belief.

The only reason you can not feel or hear God in your life is because you are not in the present moment. You are so filled with guilt that this takes you out of the present. God is always there but if we are not where God is then how can we hear him?

You are being hard on yourself. Try to see your thoughts as just words. Obessive thinkers have such a creative imagination. That's just the nature of it all. We can't take our thoughts seriously because they are just words. Just a voice - nothing more. Most people have horrible thoughts from time to time. They are not who we are. We are not our thoughts. You know you love God. Let that be enough and allow the present moment to heal and nuture you. When you hear blasphmous thoughts again (and you will) just say: "There's thought" and go about your day. If there are sensations associated with the thoughts, say: "There's sensations." (Don't go into a tirade of beating yourself up.) Practice this all the time.

I don't judge you or condemn you at all. Understand the nature of the obsessive thinker. They are just words.

Craw · Post by **Craw** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 4:58 am

We have to think about the good and the bad in real terms otherwise we would have nothing to choose from.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:03 am

You might be having some kind of guilt, because of your anxiety, and feel that God is punishing you in some way. Anxiety , depression, panic, doesn't mean you are not a good person, or that you have done anything wrong. Your obsessive thoughts are scaring you. You might need to seek some professional help to put things in the proper perspective. Don't give up hope.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:15 am

Volcano, I too have had the "fear" of committing "the unpardonable sin"...and that's just what it is..."FEAR"...I was explained that IF you FEAR committing this sin, that is evident that you haven't! That is satan trying to destroy your confidence!!! DO NOT BELIEVE THAT! Just that fact that you continue to read, pray and go to church proves that you still have the desire to follow him. YOU HAVENT blasphemed! I KNOW this because you wouldn't be so torn up about it! I was told that IF you've "blasphemed", the Holy spirit wouldn't even convict you of it,..why? because the Holy Spirit would leave..Without the Holy Spirit, we have no conscience of right or wrong.....So, with that in mind, RELAX...keep moving forward...there JUST THOUGHTS!! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU THINK!!!! You're OKAY!! BREATH and enjoy the FACT that you are a child of the MOST HOLY GOD!!!

I believe to commit the "unpardonable" sin is to walk away from the conviction of the Holy Spirit and denounce it's existance. "To grieve the Holy Spirit". Theres a difference between Denouncing it's existance and questioning it's existance. Everyone has done that at times. That's why we are to build faith by reading and praying. It's difficult to believe in something that is unseen by the human eye.. It's all about FAITH!

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God bless you and keep you
Robin

lilsismj · Post by **lilsismj** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:21 am

Hey,

Short and sweet ! It''s going to take you a while to recover from this type of thinking ,I have had the same thing happen to me many years ago.They are just thoughts not action.The enemy wants you to believe these thoughts are your own,but there not.Preoccupation with these thought will hinder your concentration ability.I just see it this way.If someone else wants to learn something it takes them a 1 on a scale from 1 of 10.If I want to learn and remember something it takes me a 4 or higher.Just means you have to work harder that all.Being connected with God is not a feeling at all,it's a state of life,read Rick Warrens ,"Purpose Driven Life".As the bible say's,not by sight !Well it's not by feeling either !!

Best to you

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:35 am

blasphemed

This may sound stupid but what is blasphemed?

bev7141 · Post by **bev7141** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:41 am

blas⋅pheme /blæsˈfim, ˈblæsfim/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [blas-feem, blas-feem] Show IPA Pronunciation
verb, -phemed, -phem⋅ing.
–verb (used with object) 1. to speak impiously or irreverently of (God or sacred things).
2. to speak evil of; slander; abuse.
–verb (used without object) 3. to speak irreverently of God or sacred things; utter impieties.

Your question didn't sound "stupid" Love

Blessings
Robin

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:50 am

People i hear what u say, my problem is my spiritual life is not the same as b4. i still remember vividly well what happened the day i had a blasphemous thought towards the Holy Spirit, i felt something dropping on my head and ever since that time my memory has been poor. Anyone who has ever experienced something like that? I am trying my best to stand on the word. I jotted down Jer 29:11-12, and it's next to my bed. i read it and recite it now and then. The problem is somedays i feel strong, happy and well but somedays i will wake up so discouraged becos of not feeling God's presense. I read devine revalation of deliverance by Mary Baxter, there's a story in there abt one boy whom Jesus ordered Ms Baxter to pray for.She says this boy told her that he is scared of going to hell bcos he thinks he blasphemed the Holy Spirit, and wanted her to pray for her.Ms Baxter says that Jesus told her that was manic depression and in a vision she saw a demon wth it's arms around this boy's head. I keep on asking myself if that can be the case wth me.

I really don't know. Those thoughts are no longer bothering me that much, but the problem is i feel so empty in the inside no matter how much bible i can read, pray and go to church.

Anyway thanks for all ur inputs guys, as for the fear of going to hell i told myself that it is not satan who throws people in hell but God Mat 10:28. So i will do my part and the rest will be for God to decide. I am even scared to go for counseling at church I am scared they will tell me that I committed the unpardonable sin and that will be over wth me

Do u people reckon that i shld go and check if i suffer ocd and if that start taking medication and i will stop worrying?