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Post by Mom of 6 » Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:32 am

well, I've been doing really well with with "floating" through my anxious moments, excepting them and moving on. Trying to live in the moment and for the most part, I do KNOW that I am the one that causes my anxious moments by negative thinking and complaining :roll: I've learned so much by using this program and of course my faith in God! He brought me to this program. I've been doing alot of journalling and reading of "the word". I feel that I am on my way and nothing can stop me now..HOWEVER, In the past, I have posted about a certain "issue" that just keeps creeping up in my mind. Again, last night and still bothering me this morning. I would like to ask any of you that are in relationships, does anxiety play on your trust for your mate? I have suspicions, etc. about my husbands faithfulness. This is the only "fear" that makes me want to see a Psychiatrist. Yes, I have been cheated on by my ex husband, but I'm over that (I think??) Why after nine years of being with my NOW husband, do I find it hard to trust him? A yr. ago my husband went on a business trip and when he got back, I began "thinking" what if he cheated? Now lastnight, he told me he has to go on another one and it started my "what if's" again...ugh I HATE THIS PART! so, again, my question is,,does anyone else have anxieties over your spouses faithfulness?? thanks everyone, I Know this one shall pass too
take care and God bless you all
Robin
"O God, you are my God. Earnestly I seek you;my soul thirsts for you, my body longs for you, in a dry and weary land where there is no water. I have seen you in the sanctuary and beheld your power and your glory. Because your love is BETTER than life,my lips will glorify you. I will praise you as long as I live, and in your name, I will lift up my hands." Psalms 63

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Post by Guest » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:00 am

hi Robin~
This was a past fear of mine, and really it got to a point where I had to talk to my husband about it, i explained my fear and told him I was not accusing him of anything but that these were fears that I was dealing with and I just need reassurance from him, No marriage is above the possibility of infidelity, not even Christian marriage's if anything we will be more attacked than non belivers, that is why it is so crucial to let your husband know your fears, let him know how important it is for you to be honest with one another and keep a pure heart and mind for one another. dont let this fear become a wedge between you and your husband, we get so wrapped up in imaginary reality that we start to treat them like they have really done something against us. use this fear to talk and be vulnerable before your husband, you will grow closer to him because of it!

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Post by Guest » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:56 am

Chellebelle, thank you! I do know that as a Christian, we are more likely to be attacked as the "enemy" is out to "kill and destroy" anything that is established by God. That thought in itself scares me because I was married once before(and I was a faithful Christian back then too) and it ended in divorce because of infidelity. I believe the enemy used that to destroy my faith in God. It did for awhile, but God bless, I came back to my senses. God is truley amazing and he is my best friend! anyways, I can see how our "unrealistic" fears can sometimes 'Feel" soooo real and that I can actually start treating my husband as if he REALLY did the unthinkable..that is what scares me so much. I can get so wrapped up in these "fears" that it almost "feels" real. I keep thinking that possibly I am "going crazy" and I will start hallucinating or something...UGH I hate this anxiety stuff..so, thanks for your imput. I have talked to him about this, but it upsets him so much to think that I don't trust him. He reassures me all the time that he isn't looking for anyone else, or interested in doing so, however, when these "feeling" come on, I forget all that he has assured me with..it's a vicious cycle. I wish it would STOP!! Please pray for me..
sincerely
Robin

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Post by Guest » Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:13 am

Robin~
I will pray for you, I know it is hard! but you WILL get through this! you will NOT go Crazy, you Will NOT start Hallucinating! I promise, this is all just by product of FEAR and ANXIETY! God has made our bodies in such a wonderful way, as the scripture says we are fearfully and wonderfully made! when we get so caught up in a viscious cycle of fear-worry-anxiety-depression, our bodies as well as our mind and emotions become depleated and exausted! then they react with those spacey un real feelings! I promise you it will pass! just let it be there for now and float through it practice under reacting to those scary thoughts, dont play into them by trying to figure them out or even explain to yourself why they would not happen, just ignor them say to your self something like "not Real" as soon as you catch yourself thinking it, then force yourself to move onto something else, its takes time and practice but I promise you it will work, and it will become easier and easier! keep up the good work! you are on the right track!

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Post by Guest » Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:07 am

Don't forget that Satan is at work and does want to destroy anything of God. I believe he works hardest on our minds - which is why you may be thinking something is happening when you don't need to fear.

The most important thing is to keep the communication between you and your husband good. This isn't just intimate communication, but ALL communication. Be open, honest, vulnerable, and assume that he only has good will toward you ... and you have good will toward him.

When I remember the last thing, in particular, it helps me to better communicate with my husband when I get frustrated or angry because of something he's said or done. He really does have a good heart - and it makes it easier to trust him and forgive him!

Hope this helps.

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Post by Guest » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:49 am

Dear ROBIN,

When we're going thru the journey to recovery fr anxiety disorder, we're quite "fragile/vulnerable" over all. More often, than not, during this journey, we realize how insecure we are + we lack loving ourselves, therefore doubt anyone else's ability to love us + our self esteem is way low. Then, if an individual has ever gone thru some traumatic "breakup" OR "abandonment" of some sort - emotionally scarred fr that event, we're gonna ASSUME(having not truly addressed these events & all respective emotions attached) that he/she/they/them is also going to abandon us as well = particularly our spouse/mate - those closest to us. ANXIETY DISORDER just magnifies it some - makes the fears/low self esteem-self doubt a bit greater.

The effort/process/work involved in RECOVERY dictates that you - the sufferer FOCUS ON YOURSELF - cause technically what needs to HEAL is inside of you. It is that very process that affords us the ability to LEARN to TRULY LOVE OURSELVES. It is the EFFORT we put forth, out of our inner desire to WANT TO FEEL BETTER & ENHANCE OUR OWN QUALITY OF LIFE, that makes us FINALLY do for OURSELVES. It is this act of "doing for ourselves" that takes us on the desperately needed path of self acceptance(good/bad/indifferent) + self appreciation + most importantly, <span class="ev_code_RED">SELF LOVE.</span>

The reason I mention "self love" is because getting THERE so to speak is very important on the journey to recovery. If we don't love ourselves - how are we to truly let others love us & how are we to TRULY/ENTIRELY/COMPLETELY love them? When we don't love ourselves, we look to anyone outside of ourselves to VALIDATE US. When we're in the midst of the worst of anxiety disorder, as mentioned, we're vulnerable/needy maybe/very emotionally dependant(@ least I was). Emotionally dependant majority of the time, again - cause we don't love ourselves - so we SPIN THEM WHEELS BABY - looking outside ourselves more often than is healthy. Because we are emotionally DEPENDANT, our EXPECTATIONS of those closest to us are very distorted - sometimes what they do isn't enough.

When we go thru emotionally trying events, they leave scars - a memory on our heart if you will - that "oh, I don't want to happen again". Because it happened when we were insecure - we assume - WE COULDN'T HANDLE IT AGAIN + IT PROB WILL HAPPEN AGAIN & I CAN'T DO IT ON MY OWN. This often happens when we don't allow ourselves the PROCESS of truly admitting/acknowledging/facing/feeling/dealing w/ the events themselves & all respective emotions - w/ the addition of, afterwards a much healthier perspective than the vulnerable US could muster. I personally think, what we're really doing is attempting to avoid having to do just that. In other words, some where deep inside, we know we have this pain & that these events did happen - but we don't want to go THERE. So, indirectly - in current times(= NOW) we try to UNDO it - w/ the people in our lives NOW. See, we want to heal w/o having to go to those bad times - so we create realtionships now that afford us a DO OVER & TO HEAL = MOVE ON.

When we face our past(bad events) & the respective emotions, we make room in our emotional storage for THE GOOD STUFF - we unburden ourselves w/ all these negative & surpressed emotions = anger/pain/fear/resentment/jealousy/insecurity/ self doubt/lack of self love. Yeah, sometimes we don't even realize they are there - & still wonder "why don't I feel good? I am way too blessed to be stressed or depressed? Why don't I love myself - I am wonderful/beautiful/loving/a great wife/mama/daughter, etc? The process of unburdening ourselves by acknowledging Yes, this particular thing did happen & it made me feel - "THIS" - makes room in us for us to love ourselves & as a result, love others more & then WONDERFULLY, we allow others to love us back, NO HOLDS BARRED.

I had abandonment issues, as well as MAJOR - 100%+ SELF DOUBT/LOVE. I feared(my biggest fear mind you) I would be forever abandoned as I had been yrs ago. Particularly, during my journey to recovery fr anxiety disorder. Girl, I remember during the beginning sessions w/ my therapist, he told me "I was too ill to work - that I was 1 of the worst cases he had seen". I literally started shaking(my body) & crying in fear "I have to depend on my husband. I've never been able to depend on anyone - I've always had to do for myself - I have no job - suppose he leaves me & I have no home/food - I have no other family - what would I do?" That wasn't the WOMAN LENORE per say - it was my inner child, the child I once was remembering way back then what had happened & feared it terribly happening again. She had been traumatized. So, I the adult, held her hand so to speak & together, WE WENT THERE. Once we did, I felt a burden lifted off my shoulder - there was nothing to fear anymore - cause I went there/faced & felt it all. Then, I faced myself & changed those parts of me that created the anxiety disorder. The process in its totality, allowed me to become emotionally strong/certain/secure/loved myself - morning hair & all, lol :D ;) It allowed me to realize what I am truly made of, honestly. My husband enhances my life & we have a beautiful family together. However, my husband did not make me what & all I am - I am not only what I am cause he's in my life - I did that myself & I am wonderful. You see sweetie, I feared being in a situation & not being able to do for myself, by myself - that is how very much I doubted my & my very own abilities. I realized, by anxiety disorder forcing my hand & all that it did take to recovery - the process itself: that I could do for myself, by myself & have. That I am capable of supporting myself + surviving, etc. Once I took myself there & really realized that - I wasn't insecure about him abandoning me too - make sense? Then, I was able to get on to us living our lives together & loving eachother as passionately as we do.

Anxiety will tell you lies upon lies. It will feed off of your vulnerability & insecurity. Don't believe them. Heck, tell it "just shut up - you're full of it." Realize the wonderful woman you are + the fantastic wife you are + the PHENOMINAL MAMA you are. Remember, <span class="ev_code_RED">YOU ARE NOT YOUR PAST OR ANYTHING, ANYONE MAY HAVE DONE TO YOU.</span> Take time to get to know yourself & love yourself. You are loved - anxiety just tries to make ya thing you aren't. You are a strong woman who has been thru & survived tough times - you have it in you. You have created a lovely family for yourself - a gift God has blessed you w/. Don't let the past trip that up, its just that - THE PAST, DONE W/ - GONE. You have, RIGHT HERE & NOW w/ a man who loves you & children who cherish you.

Your Friend,

LENORE

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Post by Guest » Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:01 am

ahhhh Lenore, once again blew me away with her wonderful insight and knowledge :D Most of all, she's been throug it all and came out of all of this anxiety stuff, loving and respecting herself. what an inspiration to us ALL!
Thank you for that "smack on the head" moment..I should have had a v8 LOL...I know all of this stuff, but darnit, when the "feeling" comes up so strongly, I just find it hard to immediately STOP those nagging "thoughts & feelings" and move on. It's as if it is REALLY happening(infedelity) I assume that those "scary feelings" are simply the rememberance of how it DID feel when I was going through it with my ex umpteen years ago( ;)) When I get that suspicion now, it is followed by what my mind remembers from way back when. I guess that's why it "seems" to be so "real". Do you understand what I'm trying to say???
anyways, I cherish your advice and perspective my friend.
Take care and God bless you and yours
Robin

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Post by Carolyn Dickman » Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:29 pm

Lenore, good points.

I have also struggled with this. Had a relationship that ended for the same reasons and have had a hard time trusting.

The man I am with now I would say would be about as good as you could get when it comes to trusting to being faithful. I trusted him completely. Here recently since my anxiety has come back for the first time in a LONG time, I have started obsessing about people he's been with in his past. Wondering if I make him happy, wondering if he is looking for someone else etc. NOTHING he has done has brought this on. I think when we are at our weakest points emotionally we just OBSESS about our biggest fears, even if the possibility of it happening is somewhere around one percent!! Nuts huh? I know where you are coming from.

One thing you could do is write down all the reasons you DON'T think he would do these things and the things about him/things he does that make you believe this. Also, try recording the conversation the next time you discuss this fear with him. That way you can read what you wrote and listen to him reassuring you when the thoughts come in. As often as you can.

This thought is no different than any of the others we have and fear. Start combating it the same way you do the others. The other thing you that may help is to say to yourself that even if something that awful happened, you would be okay. No matter what happens, we will be okay!

Be blessed!

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Post by Guest » Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:38 am

After reading the responses, it seems to me that we missed something important Lenore said. Correct me if I'm wrong, Lenore, but didn't you write that one of the ways to combat the greatest fear you had was to "sit" with the old feeling - the old instance and feel it and deal with it? Realize that you came out of that scenario on your own and things turned out in the end?

I think this is a good way to move beyond that fear - be it of abandonment or whatever it is. I am like Lenore in that I too have feared "what if" something were to happen to my husband. I am now depending on him totally for our financial stability but that's because WE chose to allow me to take the time to get through this program and give me the freedom to deal with some extended family situations. It's a freedom I wouldn't have if I was working full-time.

It was EXTREMELY hard for me to let go of my job, even though I couldn't stand it anymore, because it meant I wouldn't be in control (at least financially). We took a big pay cut by me not working, but I think it has been good in that it has brought me closer to my husband - that I can rely on him and know if something were to happen to him, I can get out there and take care of myself like I've done in the past.

Hope this helps!

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