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Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:15 am**

Gmail...I asked my husband if it were okay for you to PM me about this matter...He said that it was fine...So, I will go to my profile and place change the PM, so, you can send me a private message concerning this matter...I really don't understand, and I hope everything is okay....
God Bless

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:56 am**

phillykiser. In my most honest opinion, I believe that this is your anxiety talking and NOT god or the DEVIL. And as I read through all of the wonderful spiritual posts and again pull the message out that you are really trying to get across to us. I would say to you that while you are dealing with an anxiety disorder, your mind will trick you and threaten the very thing you hold dearest and that I believe for you is god first with hunting and fishing close behind. So it stands to reason that this is where your obsessive thoughts are coming from. And until the anxiety disorder is dealt with using the tapes and workbook (most effective and long lasting in my opinion) there is really no way to know if god is speaking to you or it is just your anxiety. I am still betting on the latter. How can we make sense of the voices in our heads when our thoughts are coming at us at full throttle? We can't, and when we try to make decisions that are fear based it threatens our very existence and shakes our self confidence and we may very well make decisions based in fear and not in facts. Such as ending a relationship because we believe it is the other person making us feel bad and if we get rid of them then the anxiety will go away, or giving up our passions because we feel we should be or are being punished for some wrong doing. Decisions made from fear are usually always regrettable after the anxiety has cleared up and our thinking is back on track. Some of the decisions we make in life cannot be undone yours fortunately can be. Even if you gave up fishing and hunting in the interim while you worked the program you could always pick them both up later on and no harm done. Possibly the only thing that would happen would be you would probably miss it and feel the void, and again in that you would have your answers. If you were to think back before the anxiety started were the fishing and hunting enjoyable to you? And were they also at that time in the forefront of almost every thought (obsessing on them)? Which is another clue that the thoughts are not real, my question being were you struggling with the issues before the anxiety started? If not, then you are still that very same person, the only difference being some stress issues that have not been dealt with and the resulting anxiety that accompanies that stress. If you can do a timeline on yourself it might help you to see that hunting and fishing became an issue after the anxiety started and not before it. Then you can focus in on that and let the negative thoughts surrounding the sports fall by the wayside. I still believe giving up fishing and hunting will not change the way you feel on the inside one iota and if you gave into the thoughts they would then search for something else to focus in on because again it is not the thoughts that are real but the underlying stress causing the thoughts that is real. Until that is resolved the thoughts will just regroup and focus in on something else if the anxiety is left untreated. A little redundant I know but the thoughts really do not care what the focus is on and they are not considerate of your feelings. They seem to focus on the things you love the most and what better way to get your attention then to scare you away from the things you enjoy the most. It is simply a distraction from the real issues.
Hope this helps.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:05 am**

Not...I totally agree with the post above......
I was just replying to the previously asked question by Philly...The post above is true, and I totally agree with you on this post...God Bless

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:10 pm**

Hi Gman5256,
I'm new to this forum. I hope I'm doing this right. I read what you all said and what you said Gman, but I hope this don't sound scary or bad to anyone. I do believe in my god, but lately I've felt like he has forgot me and thats why I'm feeling like I'am and what is happening to me. I don't like feeling like this,but I just do. I know I'm wrong about doubting my god, but I'm scared and confused. I feel like I'm sinning bad by doubting him. sorry
Wishful(V)

Originally posted by Gman5256:
Hi all,

Gil, I beg to differ with you. We will just have to agree to disagree. Once saved always saved has been a long standing debate within the body of Christ. I will grant you to your choice of performance or works. I know that I am saved, and unless my sin be against the Holy Spirit, I shall remain His.

You cite your understanding of a few parables and some other citations, and that's all good. I want to say that Jesus spoke in these parables, because for the people of that day his message was clearly understood.

He is the Good Shepherd. He knows His sheep know Him and His sheep His voice. Why do you think the account of the lost sheep (a saved person) means so much that he would leave His flock, and pursue the lost lamb until He finds it or them, and then rejoice when he returns the lamb/sheep (saved person) to the flock?

Notice, The Shepherd sought out the lamb/sheep. Notice, The shepherd rejoices as He is carrying His formerly lost lamb/sheep. What the parable doesn't tell us, but the people of that day understood, is that the Shepherd loves His Lambs, and then breaks the lambs 2 front legs.

The Shepherd then carried that lamb wherever He went, as he cared for the lamb, feeding, grooming, and keep the lamb as close to His heart as possible. Notice, what does the lamb have to do? Not a thing! The lamb is being trained to remain as close to the Shepherd as possible and to be still and know that He is God! These are not mere coincidences, but from the words and parable stories spoken by our Lord and Savior.

I am a lamb who is broken, but I am also that same lamb, being held very closely to our Lord's breast. We are heart to heart. I would say that is a very good place. The other parable account that is very similar to this is the story of the prodigal son. We are these prodigal children that leave and lead a sinful life. Does the father reject his prodigal son? No, He is joyous and throws a huge celebration.

Everyone is joyous and happy for the Father and child reunion. Everyone is joyous; that is, except for the prodigal child's brother. Why is that? Could it be because of the envy he felt for the reception of his wayward and sinful brother?

In my view, you are saved. Jesus paid the price of redeeming you, once and for all, and for all that repent, get baptized, and accept Him as their Lord and Savior.

In Paul's Epistle to the community of Colossians, Paul spoke out against exactly what so many do by adding to the requirements of Salvation, as shown in Chapter 2 verses 4-9. Paul is speaking of the aesthetics they were practicing. We do not have to beat ourselves nor allow anyone else to beat or punish us to make ourselves or us worthy of salvation. That price was paid once and for all by our Lord and Savior.

The good works you may do, serve to show the you are the fruit of the branch that produced you. The Spirit of the Good Shepherd, will hold you close to his heart. The Spirit will place the commandments on your heart. The Spirit you nurture you to learn, grow and produce good fruit. The Spirit will lead you to His word and feed you. It is the Spirit working within you that is charged to help you in all things.

So there you have it, come as the prodigal child so that the Father will rejoice and leave everyone SPEECHLESS at His Loving kindness and Mercy

There is so much more I could say on this subject, but I think I made my position clear.

Philly you are just a lost lamb and trying to find your way back. Have no fear, the Good Shepherd is on His way to rescue you from your fears, and He will carry you close to His breast and His heart to return joyously with you and or receive you as His prodigal child. Don't let fear or not understanding as the words to the song, but just accept it.

Believe the unbelievable
Receive the inconceivable
And see beyond my wildest imagination
Lord, I come with great expectations
(full lyrics: http://www.klove.com/lyrics/lyrics.asp?241)

It's enough to leave us all SPEECHLESS.

No amount of legalistic gymnastics can change this simple understanding of these Spiritual truths; otherwise, they the demean the sacrifice already made for us by Yeshua-Jeus.

Sorry if I got carry away, but it is out of love that I pass this understanding along not mean spiritedness for God knows my heart. It is a delicate subject that I and the Apostle Paul had to wrestle with. Paul did it in Love and so have I.

TC and God Bless all of you.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:19 pm**

Wishful...God never-ever forgets his children...
He loves us more than we love our own children, and that is hard to imagine...I am sorry that you are doubting things...I do not believe for one second you are being punished with panic attack by God...I lived in a panic attack for 21 years of my life, and I know that God was not punishing me.....Wishful..when we feel we are at the lowest points in our lives, then God can makes us strong...I am sorry that you are having doubts about things...Since, this is a personal thing between you and God, then, I suggest you pray about it...God hears our every prayer, and He loves us unconditionally...He is full of love, mercy, and compassion...We are not always strong in faith, especially when we are walking through the valleys...It is in these valleys in our life when our faith is tested and tried...So, hold up your head and give the world a smile...You are blessed to be a child of the King...Blindly trust Jesus, as a child blindly trusts its parents..Just say, "Jesus, I don't understand why this is happening to me, but, I know it must be in your plan, it may be to build me up and make me stronger in faith, and, I am going to 100% trust you to take care of me during these "trying and difficult times" in my life..I know that you love me unconditionally, and that you will never leave or forsake me...Thank You Jesus
Amen!" I will be praying for you...God Bless

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:06 am**

Thank you!

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:31 am**

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand. One belonging to him and the other to the lord.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that many times along the path of his life there was only one set of footprints. He also noticed that it happened at the very lowest and saddest times of his life.

This really bothered him and he questioned the lord about it. Lord you said that once I decided to follow you, you'd walk with me all the way. But I have noticed that during the most troublesome times in my life there is only one set of footprints. I don't understand why when I needed you most you would leave me.

The lord replied, my precious, precious child, I love you and I would never leave you! During your times of trial and suffering when you see only one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you.

Carolyn Carty, 1963

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:27 pm**

Hi not,

Thank for your posting. That one is always a very assuring blessing. I want to tell you that I was very inspired this morning and I wrote a poem. I had never done such a thing, except maybe I once wrote a song parody to the Circle of Life, but that was so long ago. anyway, see what you think of this poem:

His All

My apologies to those that are wondering about this poem. I removed the link, rather than delete this posting because Not commented on it and I didn't want people wondering what Not was talking about.

I believe I had actually been led to write this poem on March 18 and by the time it was linked here was the morning, it came to me and I wrote and edited it. if anyone cares to have more info about the collection of poems that came to me, please just pm me, and I be glad to share and tell you more about it.

Funny thing editing this posting a year later and 92 poems and songs later. I'll have to go to the beginning of this thread to see Mrs. T Bones' first posting, I can't remember how this all started.

Posted: **Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:42 am**

Gman5256
Great one, I enjoyed it very much. A deeper meaning I am sure.

Posted: **Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:08 pm**

I am bumping this very old posting for all of the new ones on the little forum!!! Enjoy reading and contemplating on these things...

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obsessive thought that will not go away.