Isabeau; sin affected every part of our human nature. Not just our bodies, but our minds and emotions as well.
I agree! We are all cursed, we all sin, and we are all savable. I would suggest to you the book, Deadly Emotions, to help you see how much our emotions, can make us sick, a broken bone, or a broken heart are both curable, we need bandages, and crutches for both of them to mend, in time. Exercise, Therapy, all very helpful, to mending what ever is broken, but to merely lay there and take drugs (bandage/crutch), will not mend either physical break, or mental breaks. We must work toward a cure, not just a patch, in either respect. This course does just that.
I just read a quote yesterday I also agree with, Depression is anger with no enthusiasm
does anyone believe depression is a sin?
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I was up late the other night and looking for inspiration on this topic, so I googled "is depression a sin" and was disappointed in what I found. There was nothing encouraging to post in here. It's both amazing and depressing to read article after article on how depression is a weakness or character flaw and giving in to it is a sin.
I'm quoting here, NOT AGREEING, but this is what I came across and it is very disturbing to me. "Unfortunately, this discussion (like so many) boils down to definitions. In his article Steve borrows Robert Smith’s defininition of depression as: a debilitating mood, feeling, or attitude of hopelessness (despair or joylessness), which becomes a person’s reason for not handling the most important issues of life. Now it doesn’t take a genius to work out that that is sinful. Simply not handling the “most important issues of life” is (by definition) sinful."
Another article had this to say "Scripture points to many issues of sin or conflict that can affect your emotions; most counselors would agree that depression can result from other underlying issues. Don't just worry about the depression itself; check to see what other problems need attention."
And the 3rd article states "God cares about our hearts more than He does our outward actions. And it is your heart that directly relates to your depression. But I thought we were going to talk about sin? We are. The sin of the heart. The illusive sin that creeps into our hearts and gives Satan permission to hurt us and keep us in bondage. And what sin is that? There are three that dominate our lives. These are the sins of pride, lust, and lack of trusting God. With these three sins in your heart, you rob yourself of peace, and you rob yourself of the life abundant that God has promised you. It's there for the taking, but you have to want it badly enough to give up the sins of the heart. Again, I need to emphasize that I'm not minimizing your pain and your history. It is my heart to help you see that you have more control over its affect on you than you think. You can't control what you don't understand."
Your thoughts, please?
I'm quoting here, NOT AGREEING, but this is what I came across and it is very disturbing to me. "Unfortunately, this discussion (like so many) boils down to definitions. In his article Steve borrows Robert Smith’s defininition of depression as: a debilitating mood, feeling, or attitude of hopelessness (despair or joylessness), which becomes a person’s reason for not handling the most important issues of life. Now it doesn’t take a genius to work out that that is sinful. Simply not handling the “most important issues of life” is (by definition) sinful."
Another article had this to say "Scripture points to many issues of sin or conflict that can affect your emotions; most counselors would agree that depression can result from other underlying issues. Don't just worry about the depression itself; check to see what other problems need attention."
And the 3rd article states "God cares about our hearts more than He does our outward actions. And it is your heart that directly relates to your depression. But I thought we were going to talk about sin? We are. The sin of the heart. The illusive sin that creeps into our hearts and gives Satan permission to hurt us and keep us in bondage. And what sin is that? There are three that dominate our lives. These are the sins of pride, lust, and lack of trusting God. With these three sins in your heart, you rob yourself of peace, and you rob yourself of the life abundant that God has promised you. It's there for the taking, but you have to want it badly enough to give up the sins of the heart. Again, I need to emphasize that I'm not minimizing your pain and your history. It is my heart to help you see that you have more control over its affect on you than you think. You can't control what you don't understand."
Your thoughts, please?
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You can't control what you don't understand."
If a person could control it without the Grace of God, Jesus would not have had to be sacrificed. Mello said it: depression is not new, it is as old as Kane, Elijah, David, even Jesus wrestled with in, that is why He understands us and still Loves us while we are yet in our sin. controlling the heart is to difficult to do alone. the Holly Spirit (the peace that passes all understanding) is hear to comfort us, and to guide us. Depression, Alcoholism, Addiction of any kind is very difficult to fight alone. This program, is a God sent to help us to overcome, that broken part of us
, some times it is a chemical imbalance, We do need to understand that. I am allergic to Chocolate, when I eat it I get migraines, and the pain shoves me in to depression, my mom is allergic to Wheat, when she eats bread she gets inflammation (arthritis) the pain pushes her in to depression. these things matter and can often trigger depression, understanding what is your trigger, weather it is chemical, or emotional; I was raised by a Marine, and he didn't think I should cry, so I didn't, that makes dealing with the pain in life very difficult, my body reacts in other ways. Those of us who are in the problem need help from, MD's physiatrists, Pastors, fellow suffers, like Lucinda Basset, and Jesus..
But there is no help in labeling it, or shaming any one for it. all sin is just that sin. Take the top 10, a lie, is just as big a sin as murder. We humans what to put it in degrees, but God is no respecter of persons, there are no degrees of sin, we have all come short. It is not our job to judge each other only to Love each other, and give each other grace, and understanding. from reading this thread, it is obvious we all know depression is a sin, we all know suicide is a sin, but people are still killing themselves slowly, with cigarettes, or drugs, alcohol, but for the Grace of God all of us would give up and reach for some form of addiction. Some Christians will point to an alcoholic, and yet gluttony is their sin, none of us are innocent, we are to have compassion for others, as for me I needed to have compassion for me, and Lucinda helped me to do that. . .
We are all living in some type of sin, pointing at others is not good for any of us. Simply stating Depression is a sin, is not understanding it. it is labeling it, and that is no help, understanding it, is what Journaling does, looking inside ourselves, and digging out the rotten roots that causes it, will help us understand it. but that is for each of us to do for ourselves, with the love of God and fellow sufferers, like Lucinda Basset, we can understand it. this course is a wonderful tool, for not only understanding it but over coming it, we are called to be overcomes, and we all have something to overcome.
I believe Depression is just one of many mountains we all have to overcome, one of the tests of life, The closer to God we want to be the more we must work on our own sins.
If a person could control it without the Grace of God, Jesus would not have had to be sacrificed. Mello said it: depression is not new, it is as old as Kane, Elijah, David, even Jesus wrestled with in, that is why He understands us and still Loves us while we are yet in our sin. controlling the heart is to difficult to do alone. the Holly Spirit (the peace that passes all understanding) is hear to comfort us, and to guide us. Depression, Alcoholism, Addiction of any kind is very difficult to fight alone. This program, is a God sent to help us to overcome, that broken part of us
, some times it is a chemical imbalance, We do need to understand that. I am allergic to Chocolate, when I eat it I get migraines, and the pain shoves me in to depression, my mom is allergic to Wheat, when she eats bread she gets inflammation (arthritis) the pain pushes her in to depression. these things matter and can often trigger depression, understanding what is your trigger, weather it is chemical, or emotional; I was raised by a Marine, and he didn't think I should cry, so I didn't, that makes dealing with the pain in life very difficult, my body reacts in other ways. Those of us who are in the problem need help from, MD's physiatrists, Pastors, fellow suffers, like Lucinda Basset, and Jesus..
But there is no help in labeling it, or shaming any one for it. all sin is just that sin. Take the top 10, a lie, is just as big a sin as murder. We humans what to put it in degrees, but God is no respecter of persons, there are no degrees of sin, we have all come short. It is not our job to judge each other only to Love each other, and give each other grace, and understanding. from reading this thread, it is obvious we all know depression is a sin, we all know suicide is a sin, but people are still killing themselves slowly, with cigarettes, or drugs, alcohol, but for the Grace of God all of us would give up and reach for some form of addiction. Some Christians will point to an alcoholic, and yet gluttony is their sin, none of us are innocent, we are to have compassion for others, as for me I needed to have compassion for me, and Lucinda helped me to do that. . .
We are all living in some type of sin, pointing at others is not good for any of us. Simply stating Depression is a sin, is not understanding it. it is labeling it, and that is no help, understanding it, is what Journaling does, looking inside ourselves, and digging out the rotten roots that causes it, will help us understand it. but that is for each of us to do for ourselves, with the love of God and fellow sufferers, like Lucinda Basset, we can understand it. this course is a wonderful tool, for not only understanding it but over coming it, we are called to be overcomes, and we all have something to overcome.
I believe Depression is just one of many mountains we all have to overcome, one of the tests of life, The closer to God we want to be the more we must work on our own sins.
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Thank you, cfe, for giving it some perscpective for me. You can't imagine how easily I get confused reading some things. That's one reason my brain stays in turmoil.
Funny what you mentioned about being raised by a Marine (God bless all service men and women). I was married to a Marine for 11 years. Being needy was unacceptable and the stress began to show itself in physical symptoms for me too, including unrelenting migraines.
Thank goodness for this course and all the help God gives to help us overcome.
Funny what you mentioned about being raised by a Marine (God bless all service men and women). I was married to a Marine for 11 years. Being needy was unacceptable and the stress began to show itself in physical symptoms for me too, including unrelenting migraines.
Thank goodness for this course and all the help God gives to help us overcome.
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Wow, emperor, you've really sparked quite a discussion. I'm glad you're encouraged.
It sounds like you are taking a great step by moving out on your own. . . . This talk of personal responsibility and God-given independence has reminded me of Boundaries and other related books by Steve Arteburn and Henry Cloud.
You might want to supplement your work in this program with some of their work, as you're ready. In fact, they have a website--and I got the following article from it:
<A HREF="http://www.cloudtownsend.com/library/ar ... icles6.php" TARGET=_blank>The Simple Scoop on Boundaries</A>
Also, you mentioned fear around work. You might want to start a new discussion on that, too.
Actually, I am starting a new job, which has me excited. So, I think I'll start a discussion of my own--perhaps you'll contribute to it, too! (you can find it by clicking on my name and viewing my recent posts.)
It sounds like you are taking a great step by moving out on your own. . . . This talk of personal responsibility and God-given independence has reminded me of Boundaries and other related books by Steve Arteburn and Henry Cloud.
You might want to supplement your work in this program with some of their work, as you're ready. In fact, they have a website--and I got the following article from it:
<A HREF="http://www.cloudtownsend.com/library/ar ... icles6.php" TARGET=_blank>The Simple Scoop on Boundaries</A>
Also, you mentioned fear around work. You might want to start a new discussion on that, too.
Actually, I am starting a new job, which has me excited. So, I think I'll start a discussion of my own--perhaps you'll contribute to it, too! (you can find it by clicking on my name and viewing my recent posts.)
I too am married to a Marine, with Lucinda's help I have been able to stand up for my slef and express myself, better, You know what they say, you realy do marry you Dad, well, they were both Corprels in the 1st division, Dad WWII my husband Nam. PTSD is not new, and it takes years, to overcome, I like to think I have helped both of them, and now I am helping myself. and that is building our marriage, of 38 years. I quit 8 years ago, and let him know I quit, if it was never going to change, I only wish I had done it sooner, for our childrens sake, but all in God's timeing, now I am helping my childre too. God knows best.
MC Grace, I appologise, I quoted you earlyer, and gave Mello the credit, I knew I should have taken time to look. I am sorry, I read your post obviously, but didn't give you the credit, I appreciated your coments at the time
MC Grace, I appologise, I quoted you earlyer, and gave Mello the credit, I knew I should have taken time to look. I am sorry, I read your post obviously, but didn't give you the credit, I appreciated your coments at the time
My husband has great respect for Billy Graham and what he says. I found this on his website:
DEAR BILLY GRAHAM: Is it a sin to be depressed? The doctor says I have a chemical imbalance in my brain that he can treat with medication, but a friend of mine says I shouldn’t do this because I just need to pray and have more faith. Who is right? I can’t stand this much longer. — Mrs. A.B.
DEAR MRS. A.B.: If you broke your arm in an accident, do you think your friend would claim it was a sin for you to have a broken arm and all you needed to do was pray? I doubt it.
Neither is it a sin for you to seek treatment for a chemical imbalance in your brain. The Bible says that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made” (Psalm 139:14), and it’s true: Our bodies and minds are very complex. Although doctors can’t solve all our problems, we should be grateful that God has enabled them to understand more about our bodies and minds and has given them new ways to overcome many of our problems. Don’t feel that you are somehow sinning by seeking treatment for your depression; it would be wrong for you not to seek treatment.
DEAR BILLY GRAHAM: Is it a sin to be depressed? The doctor says I have a chemical imbalance in my brain that he can treat with medication, but a friend of mine says I shouldn’t do this because I just need to pray and have more faith. Who is right? I can’t stand this much longer. — Mrs. A.B.
DEAR MRS. A.B.: If you broke your arm in an accident, do you think your friend would claim it was a sin for you to have a broken arm and all you needed to do was pray? I doubt it.
Neither is it a sin for you to seek treatment for a chemical imbalance in your brain. The Bible says that we are “fearfully and wonderfully made” (Psalm 139:14), and it’s true: Our bodies and minds are very complex. Although doctors can’t solve all our problems, we should be grateful that God has enabled them to understand more about our bodies and minds and has given them new ways to overcome many of our problems. Don’t feel that you are somehow sinning by seeking treatment for your depression; it would be wrong for you not to seek treatment.
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Graham is Absolutely right, that is just it, how you got there would take a team of Dr.s and they are just practicing. how to get you out, will take some medication, some counseling, and the grace of God
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Trust the past to God’s mercy, the present to God’s love, and the future to God’s providence.
Daily Christian Wisdom
Trust the past to God’s mercy, the present to God’s love, and the future to God’s providence.
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