The Challenge...Lesson 4

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THH
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Post by THH » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:29 pm

Karen,
Oh I know exactly what your are saying when you say you are not sure what you are feeling.
For me, I never took the time to stay in touch with myself, and it just got put on the back burner. It caught up with me, grabbed me and said will you listen now??? :?
So here I am working it out. I loved the program. It gave me a fresh look, with some major eye openers. The pieces are allover the place but I'm getting a picture and get excited as I can see some of the results and feel it as well. Its very encouraging.
You will as well, and you already have seen some of your work pay off.
It is very important to be your safe person. That is who we are with all day and night.
You will value yourself when you realize you are your asset. You need a partner to compliment your life. You will feel it when the time is right.
Keep up the great work, girl! ;)

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Post by Karen L » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:39 pm

I am on the road to recovery. There may be speed bumps, wrong turns, traffic, and I may even get lost, but I am moving in the right direction. I am in control of my life and I am the one that creates my own anxiety. I will overcome this.

The last time I wrote was Monday...I was starting to get depressed and anxious. On Tuesday my counselor came over. We had a rough 2 hours. The stuff we talked about made me very anxious and somewhat depressed, but it was the truth, just difficult to talk about...basically talked about my ex and all the red flags there have been over the past week-end...it hurts to talk about all the stuff I put up with...thinkig about it objectly, I wouldnt believe that anyone would put up with what I have...it was a bad relationship from day one....

after my counselor left I did alot of thinking...Im so confused...but at the same time I think I am getting it....Im getting that I am the one who creates how I feel, I am the one that allows people to treat me bad, I am the one responsible for my anxiety and depression....I was so tired and my whole body hurt in the evening, but some how I managed to go to the store...I wasnt too anxious, but it was like I was a different person....I just felt different....I went to bed early because I was so exhausted...I woke up a few times a bit dizzy...

today during the day I felt different again...I dont know how to explain this....I just "get" the concept of the anxiety...I understand it....although, the dizziness still scares me a bit...but I also seem to see things more objectively....Im still cloudy in my thoughts about my ex......I see that he treated me like crap and I see that I deserve better....but then I fall back into the hurt and anger I have toward him....then I come back out of it and objectively say "he has issues and I am not going to ever be part of that again"....I have been like teetering between these 2 totally different concepts today...Im confused...feels like Im actually 2 different people....am I finally starting to see what the last 7 yrs with my ex were?? I just dont know...

during these thoughts today I went from feeling really good to kinda just existing, to back to feeling good, to a bit anxious, which is where Im at now...I worked out this morning, did 3 loads of loads of laundry, cleaned the house a bit, spent time with the kids, went to the store, and did a bit of driving...while driving the anxiety increased a bit because I was afraid I would get dizzy while driving...and now I am just really tired.....my body is emotionally exhausted..

over the last few days I have felt alot of despair....if I am going to feel this bad now then why dont I take my ex back and at least sometimes I will feel a little bit better and I wont be alone?? I dont know if its just that I am so lonely.....maybe I am punishing myself and thats why I have excuses that I cant date or talk to other men....punishing myself by reliving daily all that my ex put me through...
Im kinda just let it all out as I am thinking, so if anyone is reading this and it doesnt make sense that's why...

my thoughts are just all over the place...just so confused...

I am also finally acknowledging how manipulative I can be...my whole life....and how I can be very vengeful... this manipulation was what I used to keep myself in my anxiety and depressive state...I see that now....and it is the same manipulation and revenge I am using with my ex...I want to hurt him back....I want to make sure he is still there for me when I call...I dont want him to get over me....thats why I go through this cycle of calling him, seeing him, and the whole time knowing I will start an argument because Im hurt and that way I have an excuse not to see him anymore.....oh my God, what a cycle, what a mess......how did I ever get to this point?? I know it has been building my whole life, but wow, I cant believe it.....

the funny thing is before I stopped working everyone thought I just had everything under control....super mom, super nurse, etc....but it was all an act.....its like Im this confused child inside that doesnt know which direction to turn......and heaven forbid if anyone caught on to my secret....and why?? why did I always have to appear in control?? why wouldnt I let my guard down?? and chosing me ex...I wanted to fix him the whole time...he was already an alcoholic when I met him....he wasnt going to change....and when he didnt I believed it was me.....that it was me he couldnt love enough, that no one could ever love me enough...and it wasnt me....he loved and loves his alcohol...he always made me feel I wasnt good enough...I had to defend myself, that I was a good person, and I knew this in my heart.....just like I always felt like a disappointment to my parents...which, I finally think I belioeve I wasnt, thanks to my counselor....

wow..just alot of inner dialogue going o here with myself lol...
please dont feel obligated to read and respond everyone...just needed to get some of this out....

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Post by Karen L » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:48 pm

THH
Originally posted by THH:
Karen,
It caught up with me, grabbed me and said will you listen now??? :?
omg......this had me rolling in laughter :) that's exactly what it is doing and I feel exactly like your confused smiley face, lol....
and it just is not letting me go until I listen to it lol

I sure hope it pays off....the last few months have been so difficult..a daily struggle....and now its like everything I believed and did my whole life I am now questioning...and even wondering why the heck I did it...

a partner that compliments me....I like the sound of that :)

thanks for all the support :)

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Post by Karen L » Wed Sep 29, 2010 3:51 pm

Mike

nothing I say in here is private, so please dont apologize for reading it.....your input is always appreciated :)

btw, I love your passion :)

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Sep 29, 2010 4:15 pm

In response to THH;

Wait this situation with the forums happened before? Guess I didn't notice or wasn't posting as frequently back then.

Wow that is a little bizaare. I don't know what you mean about having a horse done...is that with like the saddle and the stirups and such? Not only do you have your own expectations to contend with but the unrealistic expectations of others.

How did you respond to those 4 examples?

Wow I had no idea your business was that difficult for you. Its hard to change a situation like that when you have bent over backwards for these people but you both deserve a personal life. That is really sad that you don't look forward to summer, that is not a life! What is the point of having all that business if you can't even enjoy yourselves with free time?

Ah..or a sorry I can't. Sounds like you have lots of opportunities to be assertive and are handling it well. How do the people respond when you say no? Do they respond the way you might have expected before you started to say no?

Can you say you catch most of your negative thoughts now a days?

Oh you mean the affirmations? Which one are you talking about? Oh and I may remake those affirmation scripts. I think I have learned alot of great things since I made them.



Mike
Here is the link to the Letting Go thread which is designated for venting
http://forum.stresscenter.com/viewtopic ... 52&t=25087

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:03 pm

In response to Karen L;

That situation with your ex really upset you eh? Well as hard as it was I think it lead to some good realizations and you can be really proud of yourself for that :) Thats one of those situations that when your in a rut it is a sign that your on the verge of making a breakthrough kind of moment.

You know this kind of battle is actually a really good thing. You've gone from mostly being negative to a battle between negative and positive. You are in a transition period and it does take time to go from a negative thinker to a more positive thinker. Don't despair this is actually a really good thing! It is also very understandable that you became emotionally tired as you are having that constant battle but it will pass in time. You are going through a reflective time which is really great actually. You are questioning things and this can lead to some very good insight which can then lead to some really powerful motivation! Keep questioning and waiting for the answers!

You may feel this way now but that doesn't mean you will always feel that way. I can guarantee that you are thinking some irrational thought that has the would always or never in it.

You are going through a time of despair, you are very confused, anxious and depressed. You want revenge, you want him to hurt the way he hurt you. You have realized that you are manipulative and vengeful and you have a negative cycle of calling your ex, seeing him and then arguing. You also feel very lonely. You appeared to be under control and very good at being a nurse and with your mothering but it was just an act.

You choose an alcoholic and wanted to fix him so you came from a very caring place but he didn't change and then you started to blame yourself and thought that nobody could ever love you enough. He made you feel like you weren't good enough. There is also a dissapointment from your parents.

Well one thing that I've actually learned was actually from a gay oriented book but when we look for a partner we are attracted to the type of person who actually has similar qualities to the parent of that gender. Supposibly this happens as an attempt of the subconscious to bring those same or similar problems into our lives that we didn't deal with when we grew up. In this case I would assume would be the part about being a dissapointment or not living up to their expectations. I don't know your ex or your parents at all so I coudln't really speculate beyond that.

Thank you, I am growing with this passion everyday but I still have many moments of discouragement and sometimes despair. They aren't as frequent as they used to be though!


Mike
Here is the link to the Letting Go thread which is designated for venting
http://forum.stresscenter.com/viewtopic ... 52&t=25087

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Post by Karen L » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:13 am

I am on the road to recovery. There may be speed bumps, wrong turns, traffic, and I may even get lost, but I am moving in the right direction. I am in control of my life and I am the one that creates my own anxiety. I will overcome this.


Mike

Thanks and I do feel proud of myself :)

Im glad you pointed out that this inner struggle I am dealing with is a good thing, that at least I now recognize my negative thoughts and am just struggling between the positive and negative thinking...It is good to hear this because the confusion sometimes just gets so overwhelming. My counselor was over this morning and she pointed out the same thing :)

I find myself struggling between my past negative thinking that has become a part of me for the last 20 yrs and the positive thinking which is new but makes me feel better..I easily seem to slip back and forth and it can be with the smallest thought, so I do see how powerful our thoughts can be...

Although my parents were never disappointed in me, I believed my whole life that they were....you are probably right that my irrational thought process was at least part of the reason I sought out such an unhealthy relationship...it's nice to finally make some sense of the decisions Ive made in my life-time.....although they were not good decisions I can now I understand why I made them, which is a big insight :)

hope your having a good day!!

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Post by Karen L » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:25 am

I am on the road to recovery. There may be speed bumps, wrong tirns, traffic, and I may even get lost, but I am moving in the right direction. I am in control of my life and I now see that I am the one that creates my own anxiety. I will overcome this.


still a bit tired today....I stayed up to late or 6:30 am just comes too early lol..
feeling pretty good today :)
met with my counselor this morning and processed alot of my confusion...its starting to make sense and I see where it is coming from.....the struggle Im facing is whether to take the old, irrational, negative path that I am very accustomed to, or taking the new, rational, positive path which does take some convincing....that old path just comes so naturally....if I dont take the time to chose it seems that I automatically end up on the irrational old path....and it seems like every aspect of my life Im chosing a path......I never realized how many irrational or negative thoughts until now....also, I need to stay positive so I dont fall into that lonely, self-destructive victim role...that just doesnt work and takes me in the wrong direction...

counseling went good and wasnt too anxiety provoking...I printed out my last post and shared it with my counselor...we talked alot about it...still confused, but in a kinda good way....I think Im starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel :)

hope all is well with everyone!!

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Post by mcshope » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:27 am

Sometimes it amazes me how we can “know” stuff, however it won’t help us until it clicks inside. We all know that recovery is a process, however we keep wishing for a quick fix, and sometimes expecting it.

THH,
Good for you, it is great that you do not let your schedule get crazy. It is not an easy thing to do, since we try to please everybody. I agree with you, what good the money makes if you don’t have your health.
I completely understand how difficult it is to handle a schedule. I was the only translator at a clinic where I worked, patients that needed translation during their appointment, had to make their appointments with me. I remember trying to make all patients fit in one day, and of course going nuts about it. But was you said, there are emergencies, all the other ones will need to wait until you have an opening in your schedule. People want things when they want, however you have to take care of yourself and your husband first. Since your business is a repeat business, you can be sure that the customers will be coming back, sooner or later, they come back.

Mike,
I liked the video, it made me think of how we feel that our parents expect perfection from us. I think they just want us to be happy, however we think that they expect more. I don’t remember my parents telling me I had to be perfect, but I remember the feeling of not being enough for them. A lot of the things they did or said were because they loved me and wanted me to be happy, however sometimes I felt like I was not good enough…. Now, I don’t know if I am enough or not, but I want to believe that I am OK the way I am. Yes, I have anxiety and fears to deal with, but I am OK.

I do not like being in a big group. I can deal with 3 or 4 people, but more than that makes me nervous. I know that is because I am used to read other people and respond to them by what I think they are expecting to hear… I am a pro at that… When there are too many people, is very difficult to read them, so I don’t know what is expected of me.

I guess the important part about cleaning your friend’s place is that you felt really good doing it… I just noticed that you didn’t mention the anxiety, so I guess the “feeling good” was more important. When I focus my attention outside of me, I tend to feel better and the anxiety is not much of a problem.

I learned Transcendental Meditation in June of last year. It takes just a few minutes of your day, actually 15 to 20 minutes 2 times a day. TM has helped me deal with things that have hurt me in the past. What I liked about it is that you don’t need to “concentrate”. In TM you let your ideas flow, at the same time as your mantra. You can find a lot of information about TM on their website. http://www.tm.org/ It has helped me to relax, but there is also a lot of research about the benefits for your health.

The cognitive distortions were an eye opener. I know I do a lot of them, it is just nice to see them in black and white… kind of giving a name to what I do to myself. I know I tend to disqualify the positive, mental filtering, use the should a lot, and personalization… However I can find examples of each one of them.

Karen,

I imagine that you had very awful experiences with your ex. What happened at his apt. is enough to give anyone a panic attack. I imagine there were other situations in which you felt anxiety or panic. Now you know the feeling; mark that feeling as something you don’t want in your next boyfriend.

I didn’t want to get involved with anyone after my separation and divorce, however I knew I didn’t want to be alone either. So I decided to make friends, just friends. I started going out with some female friends, then with some male friends. Actually, when I met my husband, I was not looking for a relationship, I only wanted to practice my English. He was also recently separated, and he didn’t want a relationship either…. What I am trying to say is… You don’t need to start another relationship in order to forget and forgive your ex, but you need friends, people to talk with, people to share with.

Have you seen the FLYLADY website?... A friend recommended it, it is a day by day routine to get the house back in order. I really liked it. I never really learned how to take care of my house, to me house chores were a pain. Now I am learning to see it with pride, and I am finding ways to make the chores easy. Flylady
"Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its trouble, it empties today of its strength." – Unknown

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Post by NinjaFrodo » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:16 am

No matter how negative I feel or what symptoms come up, I am still ok. I accept the reality of each moment and do not fight it. I have goals and I achieve them. When I feel frustrated, I know it is a sign that I'm on the verge of making a breakthrough and taking a big leap on a goal

Thursday;

Realization
Well lately I've felt alot of discouragement involving my anxiety and stopping negative thoughts. I let my mind wander and just endure some of the negative thoughts and feelings. Today I actually woke up very very negative and discouraged as you might see if you check out my thought replacement and I had a moderate ammount of anxiety. However something just changed after watching a tv show.

I don't know if everybody knows this show but I was watching Ghost Whisperer (for those who don't know its about a woman who communicates with spirits that are stuck and haven't been able to move on and she helps them move into the "light") and there was one scene that just made a huge impact for me. Her husband is a paramedic and he tries to save lives and she tries to help spirits move on. In the scene her husband was feeling upset and saying that him and her are in the business of death. She had a big long speech and in it she had said "we are in the business of life and death is just part of that". That is some great thought replacement! Some how that just made a click for me when it came to my goals.

After hearing that line from the show I think maybe i've been looking at this the wrong way with my recovery goal. It actually feels very negative to me now. I've been trying to improve on certain things in my personality and behavior that would make me recovered like my self-esteem, my confidence, my assertivenss, my calmness. These are great things to work on and improve but they lead to this fixed idea that I'd go back to who I was before I had this condition. This fixed idea kinda works in a similar way to perfection, its not possible! I am not going to have my teenage years again, I'm not going to be back in highschool and I missed out on many opportunties. On the flip side I also have alot more knowledge and I have become better than I was before this condition on many diffrent levels. You know now that I think about it I would focus on the recovery thing but thought well what then? I'll be recovered but then what? Would I just then go back to the same person I used to be that lead me up to having this problem in the first place?

So I was focusing mostly on recovery and changing my personality traits in order to fit that and it did motivate me to do self-help but now I just want to forget about recovery because now it just makes me feel less than and inferior to everybody else. I want to directly focus on improving those personality traits and behaviors so I can have a great life! I think about recovery now and its like this whole time (15 years) I've been trying to take something away (the anxiety and depression) but what I really want is to get somethings (the personality traits). I think focusing on recovery just kept me constantly focused on my anxiety, depression and negative thoughts and feelings. I want to focus on something more positive, I want to focus on possiblity, growth and who I want to become! I don't want to wait until the anxiety and depression goes away before I do the things I want to do and be who I want to be.

So my goals are to improve my ability to control my thoughts, improve on my ability to calm myself down, improve on my sleep, improve on my immune system, improve on my feelings of passion and joy, improve on my ability to communicate and understand, improve on my trust towards myself, improve on my sense of security, improve with my optimistic attitude, improve my ability to share and do good for others, I also have a goal of getting a job, get back into doing shiatsu, go on vacation sometime next year, write a book, improve on hip-hop skills, go on talk shows to help other people, decrease the time I spend worrying, decrease the time I spend dwelling on negative stuff, decrease the chances of getting upset by decreasing my expectations, I want to improve my ability to take action when it comes to problems and well I have so many goals right now.

There was also some information that kind of reactivated when that click happened while watching that show. Carolyn Dickman posted a message that this one guy wrote about recovery vs healing last year in July and I guess it didn't really stick when I heard it but it just poped into my head and now I really understand what he ment. Here is the thread for those that are interested;
Recovery vs Healing


Mike
Here is the link to the Letting Go thread which is designated for venting
http://forum.stresscenter.com/viewtopic ... 52&t=25087

You can follow me on Twitter, same username or check out my blog

http://ninjafrodo.blogspot.com/

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