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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:49 am
by Rhasslariel
I was wondering what everyone thinks about using hypnotherapy to get over anxiety and depression. Using post hypnotic suggestions and such. Since I truly do believe what this program is trying to teach me, I just am having a hard time putting it to work. But by believing it, would that make the suggestion more likely to take hold? I know I'm a strong, smart, capable person. I have people who love me in spite of my faults (or what I perceive as faults) and in some cases, because of them. I'm talented, and not bad looking. I have a lot to be grateful for. Yet, I still have a hard time feeling good. I want to be happy. I try to be happy. But it feels as though my brain is fighting me. Like I can't get the chemicals in my mind to rearrange my thought patterns. So I was wondering if hypnosis would make a difference. Since it works on the subconscious level, and that's where the problem is rooted.

Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:56 pm
by Guest
I've had a lot of hypnotherapy sessions in the past and they helped a great deal with anxiety and post traumatic stress. I'm not sure how it would be if you were using it for anything other than anxiety though. My only experience with it was for anxiety. You can buy self hypnosis tapes. Some are better than others, but they work well for me.

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:11 am
by Guest
I've read that hypnotherapy does wonders, however I myself am so scared of it lol. Has anyone tried this and had success?

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:22 am
by Guest
Yes i have had hypnotherapy it worked wonders for me. I was scared to death, thought i couldn't relax enough because of anxiety but i eventually did. It moved me forward quite a bit. I didn't realize it at the time. But as time went I started to see what it had done for me. Mine too was for post traumatic stress disorder, but it would be fine for other stressors. When under hypnosis a actual trauma was recreated and the outcome was redirected to a safe and happy outcome. The feeling it gave my mind was one of victory not of victimhood. Your comment about getting the chemicals in your mind to rearrange your thought patterns was my old school of thought the pattern I am here to work on. It is our thought patterns that adjust the chemicals in our minds. That is the whole idea of this program to stop feeding the negative thoughts to our minds and to replace them with positive thinking. A visualization would look like this to me, if i was making a mild gravy stew and i was adding hot sauce cayenne pepper tabasco sauce etc. I would have changed the mild ingredients to spicy and hot. The stew then marinates in the hot ingredients to only get hotter with time. When we continualy feed our minds with negative thoughts out minds are marinating. We do it so automatically we aren't even aware of it most of the time. When it becomes a problem or like the sauce 'too hot' then we want to address it and wonder, where did that come from? It came from feeding the wrong ingredients to our minds.
I understand exactly what you are saying because that is what i have thought for many years. Until that changes nothing changes. Good Luck with your decision. Just thinking about it is a good sign that you will overcome this. :)
kathleenjh

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 10:41 am
by Guest
I tried hypnotherapy a couple years ago, but anxiety was so high I was unable to relax and be hypnotized. LOL

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:17 am
by Guest
Hi-

In listening to and reading books on anxiety I am going to say that hypnosis just might not be the best sollution.

I read your statement and you are really saying a lot if you re-read your text. You have some feelings of being a great person, admit your faults but just can't seem to forgive yourself -the part about your brain fighting you.

I am a solid solid solid believer that anxiety is caused primarily by self induced fear and a string of the bad, bad habit of negetive thinking, low self esteem, guilt, shame and just utter self torture of the soul.

GOD put us here to be happy and to love one another. If we are not doing those things it is because we are judging ourselves, others, having a ton of negetive self talk all day every day of our lives. When we begin the program right away there is a relief and we start to feel better but after a while the real lessons come in and we must dig deep and do the work.

I ended a 9 year relationship over 2 years ago that I did not realize was so distructive. Not in the sense of the two of us but in how badly it damaged my self esteem, image, hope and my relationship with Christ. I had become this very negetive person, talked bad about folks, thought i was better than just about everybody and really was a ****y little $%^&, because I did'nt have to answer to anybody...(HA!)

Alone and on my own the weight of the world came down on me and a mirror image of myself showed I had gone into this flippid behavior that I hated. I am concentrating big time on staying away from stimulants, have never and never will take any anti-anxiety medicine, self talk positive thinking all day and all night. And so I am feeling good...in a while I will feel great.

I went through the program in 1999 and so now today the anxiety has creeped back up...remember what I had discribed of myself? So naturally I feel what is a hypnotherapist going to do for you? Suddenly get you to stop thinking negetively, judging yourself, build up your self esteem and continously love life and think positive thoughts? Of course not you are going to have to do the work.

First step, give yourself a big hug and that cute face of yours plant a big kiss on it and say "lets do this". Go have a good cry and get on with your life. What do i know? hehe.

Ricky

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:47 am
by Guest
Hey I am doing some hypnotherapy right now and I have to tell you that is really is helping along with this program. I think people misunderstand hypnosis thinking these sessions are only to hypnotize people and they really aren't all about that. I think any therapist, any good therapist, realizes that our anxiety/phobias/fear comes from our thought process, whether you are a psychiatrist or hypnotherapist, they are still therapists, they just specialize in hypnosis, but they are very understanding of the way we think and why we think that way, and they are there to help us understand as well. My hypnotherapist is giving me CBT tools along with hypnosis to help me change my thought process. We talked about how my negative thinking and self-talk really affect the way I react to everything and she thinks taking this program along with her sessions is a great idea. Do some research on hypnosis for this area and you will find a lot of positive reactions. I don't think hypnosis alone will cure severe anxiety/phobias/fear/depression, but I think it is a great aid in the process. I felt a lot better even after my first session. I have to disagree with Rmenur. Maybe some hypnotherapy presents itself as curing you right away, but that isn't what I have learned about it or from it. My therapist told me it will take time and practice to change my thinking with the tools she has given me, her way of helping me follows a lot of ideas that come from this program. She emphasized that I have to have dedication to changing the way I think and that she will do what she can to help me get over my anxiety. It isn't something that is meant to cure you just through hypnosis, quick and easy.
That isn't what I have gotten from it at all. Maybe I am just lucky and have a wonderful therapist? :D Research it and try it out, it doesn't work for everyone but to me anything is worth a shot. Also being able to bring up past experiences and events that still bring me anxiety, look at them from an outside view, and learn from them has really helped. That is what we did our first session. It is insteresting to see those events from a different angle. Good luck with whatever you choose to do!

Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:18 pm
by Guest
I also tried hypnotherapy (via CD) but never felt comfortable with subliminal thoughts. I suppose this is different if you have a VERY trustworthy psychologist. However, about a month ago someone posted a website called <A HREF="http://www.ThinkRightNow.com" TARGET=_blank>www.ThinkRightNow.com</A> that incorporates repeative, affirming statements with relaxing music at a specific beat that stimulates positive brainwave pattern. (I think that's a fairly accurate summary?... the website explains the process far more clearly).

Anyway, even though I've been "too busy" to fully embrace this program, I bought the overcoming anxiety CD and am VERY pleased. What I like best is that it is an excellent supplement to this program, it's inexpensive (less than $30) and guaranteed for 6 months, but most importantly NO SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES to creep me out.

As a former teacher, I have attended seminars on brain-based learning and fully believe that Baroque music (16 beats per measure?) enhances the learning process, so this product seemed logical to me.

I would like to mention that the website does warn a slight increase in anxiety is common, but I never had this problem. For those of you who have purchased this program, I'd imagine this increase of anxiety would be similar to one of the first CDs where all the symptoms of anxiety are described (I'll NEVER listen to that one again). I could also compare it to on of the other programs I bought- end procrastination now, which just made me uncomfortable and I don't feel ready to listen to it yet.

Anyway, I hope this is helpful. If anyone has questions, don't hesitate to pm me.

fischee

Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:51 am
by Aprillynne
Your comment about getting the chemicals in your mind to rearrange your thought patterns was my old school of thought the pattern I am here to work on. It is our thought patterns that adjust the chemicals in our minds.
I can remember back before my menopause when I would get PMS. Something that at other times wouldn't bother me in the least, at that time would infuriate me. The thing is, as I would tell people then, I'd swear I could actually FEEL the change in my brain. The way my head felt, the way my though patterns were forming, I could feel the difference. An analogy would be like, say the brain waves in my head normally traveled clockwise, I could feel them suddenly start turning counterclockwise. That's the only way I can describe it. And that's kind of what I feel now. I can feel its not right. I can remember what it felt like when it was, and I want to get back to that point. I have times (even before starting the program) when I would feel perfectly fine. Happy, positive, energetic. Then, something would switch. I don't know why. Maybe I'm more manic depressive rather than just regular depression along with my anxiety. Or bi-polar? I don't know. But its very frustrating.

I am a solid solid solid believer that anxiety is caused primarily by self induced fear and a string of the bad, bad habit of negetive thinking, low self esteem, guilt, shame and just utter self torture of the soul.
I have all the above. Some was learned from my mother, some was learned from experiences I've had in life (over and over again), and some, well, I don't know.
GOD put us here to be happy and to love one another. If we are not doing those things it is because we are judging ourselves, others, having a ton of negetive self talk all day every day of our lives.
I do judge myself. And I do judge others, which is why I know they're probably judging me. I know I shouldn't do this, but its hard to control. Like when I go in to grocery store, and I see these size 30 plus women dressed like they're a size 3. I have nothing against big people, my husband is one. I just think they should dress appropriately for their size. Not have everything, and I mean everything hanging out all over the place. They probably think they look good, but judging by the looks I see others giving them as they pass, I'm not the only one who thinks they look bad. My mother's words sometimes echo in my head "Don't these people ever look in a mirror?". I don't mind sexy dressing, but at least they should get the outfit that fits their physique. This is just one aspect of how I judge people, so I know they must do the same to me and it makes me very self conscious. At the same time, I usually believe in 'live and let live' as long as nobody is getting hurt. I know, its a contradiction. And that is undoubtedly a source of anxiety. I don't have any specific religion. Don't want one. But I do believe people should get along. I know, unrealistic expectation.
I had become this very negetive person, talked bad about folks, thought i was better than just about everybody and really was a ****y little $%^&, because I did'nt have to answer to anybody...(HA!)
I've never thought I was better than everybody. In fact, just the opposite. I usually believed I wasn't as good as everyone else. But then, that's the way they made me believe, especially in school. The other kids and most of the teachers. The only thing I could ever admit to being good at was my artistic talent. It was the only thing I had confidence in. I knew there were people out there much better than me, but I also knew I was very good. And I felt I had to answer to everyone about everything I did. But at the same time, was (am?) still very angry at that feeling. I still feel I have to justify most everything I do to people. They seem to require it.
I don't think hypnosis alone will cure severe anxiety/phobias/fear/depression, but I think it is a great aid in the process.
This is my way of thinking too. I'm thinking it would just 'take the edge' off the feelings, so I could then get a better control. Maybe make things like turning a negative thought into a positive one feel more natural and not such an effort.
I also tried hypnotherapy (via CD) but never felt comfortable with subliminal thoughts. I suppose this is different if you have a VERY trustworthy psychologist.
I have no problem with subliminal messages. I know its my subconscious that's fighting me, so that's what needs to be reached. We're subjected to subliminal advertising everyday. Its part of what creates our fears. So why not use it to our benefit instead?
I just know I've seen what hypnotists can do when just entertaining people. (Criss Angel comes to mind). I know my best friend who is a heavy smoker actually was able to quite for over a month with just one session of hypnotherapy. (She started up again when 9/11 happened). So I know it can work to some degree. I'll have to try and find some of the CDs mentioned and see if they help. It will be a long time before I can afford an actual hypnotherapist, if ever as I assume they are expensive.
Thank you for all the input.