Constant ruminating panic obsessed with suicide fear HELP

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scaredviolet
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Constant ruminating panic obsessed with suicide fear HELP

Post by scaredviolet » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:36 pm

I had an episode of panic / scary thoughts three years ago and it took me months to get better, did the program can't remember if it helped but I can't find it now. Anyway Im having sometimes full days and nights worrying I am so sick with anxiety and panic that Im afraid I would kill myself, which causes more anxiety and panic compounded. I can barely function, can't sleep, can hardly do my job, barely eating, saw the dr who put me on remeron which is so far no help. Using Ativan but that doesn't take the thought away. I don't want to feel this way I love my kids and husband. It is eating me alive literally. I've read everything there is like under react to the thought, accept it, give it no value. But when it constantly permeates my every waking moment it is hard. I'm need any advice out there. Thank you.

coachchris
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Re: Constant ruminating panic obsessed with suicide fear HEL

Post by coachchris » Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:04 pm

Hi Scaredviolet,

Thank you for your post. Gosh, I hope you can find your program. I looked back at some of your old posts and I can see where you were working your program and having some success trying to get out of the negative thinking.

Has there been some added stress lately? How is your support system?

I would love to talk with you if you would like to do a free coaching call. Just private message me using the tab to the right and we can set something up. Remember that we are negative thinkers and just because we have a thought that pushes adrenalin does not make the thought real or truthful. It just means we are scarying ourselves. You have the ability to think better and feel better. We are here to help you get on that path and have a full recovery. I was an obsessive thinker for decades. I know what it is like to let thoughts scare you and take you away. It takes a lot of practice and truth telling but you can get out of this negative habit. Just reaching out shows that you are ready for change.

I look forward to hearing back from you.

Warmly,
Coach Chris

coach21
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Re: Constant ruminating panic obsessed with suicide fear HEL

Post by coach21 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:04 am

Hi scaredviolet,

Couldn't help respond to your post in that scary thoughts of which you described were one of my symptoms of anxiety. First of all know that their is ample research to support that all humans get spontaneous, unintended thoughts of which you described. Secondly, those prone to anxiety possess a higher IQ and are a tad bit more analytical and sensitive than most. These are great qualities scaredviolet but when used in a counter productive manner creates anxiety. We're very sensitive to certain stimuli thus you read a disturbing news article; observe a disturbing newscast; hear of someone you knew who committed suicide; you consequently begin to ask yourself alot of bad questions for example "what brought them to that point?" "How could someone commit suicide?" "Could I commit suicide?" "Why am I entertaining thoughts of suicide?" "Does that mean I am going to commit suicide?". You then instinctly attempt to eliminate the thoughts ie "doesn't take the thought away...." which just results in variations of the thoughts themselves. What happens when we try not to think of the sunset? We think of the sunset. It's the paradox of human control. Our goal is to erdicate the belief in any of the irrational conclusions we established that follow these obscure thoughts of suicide. We do this by responding to these bad questions with facts regarding suicide. For example "I must be suicidal because I'm having these thoughts" No. When it comes to suicide there are three categories:
1) Suicide gesterers: These individuals attempt suicide without any lethality as a mere cry for help. For example, an adolescent pops 10 aspirin because he/she just got dumped by their boyfriend/girlfriend. Ten aspirin obviously isn't enough to overdose thus this is a mere cry for help.

2) Suicide completers: These individuals follow through with suicide with much lethality. They find suicide as a rational solution and are at peace with their decision. They have a thorough plan and date set and are in generally a good mood. They rarely find themselves in a therapist's office and are no where near this forum reaching out for help as per spontaneous thoughts of suicide.

3) The majority (You and me): The majority of humans who have fleeting, unintended thoughts of suicide from time to time for a variety of reasons. Reality is the mere fact we recognize this thought as irrational is pure evidence you are incapable of carrying this thought out.

Scaredviolet, email me any time. I have had the exact symptoms of anxiety and successfully overcame the feelings of despair, depression, anxiety and frustration associated with these thoughts. I am also a coach for the StressCenter.com and have helped others help themselves re-establish their confidence. God bless and keep putting action behind your faith. God has the resources in your path for your recovery.

JoshE91
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Re: Constant ruminating panic obsessed with suicide fear HEL

Post by JoshE91 » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:23 am

hey coach 21. i have all the same symptoms when it comes to obsessive thoughts. i have become good at not dwelling most of the day, buy when i shut my eyes to go to sleep i cant shut my brain off. I am so afraid of not waking up on time, or worying about the next day at work, i just cant go to bed until about 3 hours before i have to wake up. ive tried the simply sleep and it helped me relax, but i couldnt sleep still. any advise would help! thank you

NeverQuit
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Re: Constant ruminating panic obsessed with suicide fear HEL

Post by NeverQuit » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:33 am

Hi Josh!

I have had insomnia at different points in my life, and the last bout was when my anxiety was at it's worst. It was really rough for me, but I now sleep through the night!!

Some things that have helped me:

1. Exercise during the day - helps you to be tired at night! Don't do it within three hours of going to bed though, because it will actually wake you up.

2. Get out in the sun - Vitamin D helps to synthesize hormones and will help your natural melatonin (sleep hormone) levels at night. http://www.livestrong.com/article/15605 ... ove-sleep/

3. Don't eat sugar within three hours of going to bed - especially chocolate (keeps me up).

4. Don't drink caffeine later in the day.

5. Don't be around bright lights or on the computer after 9pm, even the TV could mess with your sleep. Your natural melatonin levels (sleep hormone) begin to increase as soon as it is dark outside, so when we are around bright lights or staring at the computer screen late into the night, it messes with those normal levels. I am definitely sensitive to this.

6. Do the relaxation tape with the program - I do this every night, helps me to turn my brain off!

7. Take Valerian - it's a natural herb for relaxation and sleep. Some people find that taking one of these will put them out for the night. The only side affect is it is a diuretic, so you may find you need to use the bathroom during the night. :P

8. Eat turkey - turkey is high in Tryptophan, a precursor to Seratonin, which is usually low in the brain in people with obsessive thinking and OCD. Tryptophan also helps you to sleep. My nutritionist has me taking this in capsul form (don't add it without speaking with a specialist), and since then, it has helped my sleep tremendously. But you can always help yourself just by adding more turkey into your diet.

9. Listening to Sscripture - I have found some great scripture CDs that just read verses about trusting God and God supplying healing and love, they have helped me tremendously in the past to relax at night and quiet my mind.

So these are just some thigns that have helped me! I hope they help you too!! You will be sleeping soon. :D

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Re: Constant ruminating panic obsessed with suicide fear HEL

Post by ropersue » Thu Aug 02, 2012 5:52 pm

Scared Violet & Coach Chris:

I have been struggling with these thoughts for the past week, and they simply scare the dickens out of me. Last week my dad's best friend's son committed suicide. And since then it has been non stop on my mind. He was like a little brother to me, and when I heard I was devistated, and immediately began the questions of why, how, and am I going to ever hit that low point that Satan can tempt me into that. It scares the holy living pants off of me. I don't like those thoughts they make me uncomfortable and uneasy. I finally had to call the dr, who took me off of Sertraline, and ask if I should be back on, he put me on a fourth, and told me if I needed to to also take my anti anx meds. I also am preparing to go to a therapist to talk about and through my fears. I was doing awesome with keeping my anxiety in check until this happened.

I had been off my anti dep for two weeks, doing great, but when the thoughts came, I realized I obviously am not ready to be off. I hate being on them, because I feel guilty being on them. My husband hates me being on them because we have been trying to get pregnant, and havent since I started them. But I have firm faith that god has guided me to this program, and the dr who knows best!

So Scared Violet, you are not alone in being scared of those thoughts. Much love, and many hopes we can get over this hill!

Prayer is a strong power, it has helped me alot! If you are lds, preisthood blessings are amazing things as well! :) Best wishes.

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Re: Constant ruminating panic obsessed with suicide fear HEL

Post by coach21 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:29 pm

Hey Ropersue,

The thoughts aren't the problem; it's what we say to ourselves after the thoughts. Any human would have obscure thoughts of which you described if they knew someone who committed suicide. Remember, your sensitive to this type of stimuli and your not immune to your old way of reacting. Reality is the fact that you recognize these thoughts as irrational is pure evidence your incapable of carrying the thought out. Those who are interested in suicide are at peace with their decision and view suicide as a solution. Remember, Ropersue, your in the majority of humans who bombard themselves with irrational "what if's?". Everyone gets weird thoughts, the key is responding rationall thereafter. E-mail anytime for support. This was one of my more challenging symptoms of anxiety. God bless

coach21
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Re: Constant ruminating panic obsessed with suicide fear HEL

Post by coach21 » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:50 pm

Hey Josh E91,

NeverQuit pretty much covered my suggestions as per insomnia. I too have had seasons on sleep deprivation of which you described. I suggest daily cardiovascular excercise; vitamins D, B, B6 and Fish Oil; stick to a good mantra at light; cover your clock; make sure the room is dark; stay consistent. The body is a creature of habit. Some great reads for anxiety/obsessive thinking are Overcoming Obsessive Thoughts by Purdin and Clarke and The Feeling Good Handbook by Dr. Burns. Remember Josh, you are in the majority. Everyone gets weird automatic, obscure, unintended thoughts. How we respond is the key. God Bless and e-mail anytime for support.

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