Disturbing Sexual Thoughts!

Are obsessive scary thoughts ruling your life? Do these thoughts seem beyond your control? Here’s how you can quickly address them and begin to feel better.
Ms. Anxiety
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Post by Ms. Anxiety » Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:51 am

Hi Hope321!!

Thank you for your honesty and thank you to all!! It has been helpful for me to vent to those who understand exactly what I have been going through. The therpaist that I have been seeing has diagnosed me as Obsessive Compulsive. I do not have compulsions, such as hand-washing, etc. but I do suffer from obsessive thoughts from time to time. I have been suffering with disturbing and repetitve thoughts of sexual nature for 2 months now. Disturbing sexual thoughts and obsessive questioning of your sexuality can be a sign of OCD, or anxiety. Although knowing this has made me feel better, I feel like you Hope. It's hard for me to be like, "ok, that's what it is," because I feel like I'm saying "ok, that's what I am." These thoughts started out very scattered and all sexual and have spiraled into a false story! I now fear I will have to change my sexuality, live a different life that I don't want, never have kids, or marry my boyfriend! It feels as though I'm being forced to think these thouhts everyday! I know I have control over my mind, but it does not feel that way. When I am with my boyfriend I am able to calm down and feel like me again, but when I am not, I live in fear of if these thoughts could be true. The minute I calm down, I think - "Why am I not thinking about it, why am I not trying to solve the problem?" I feel like you Hope in the way that I keep telling mysef I want to go back to the way I was just 2 months ago. I was a happy person who never had these thoughts! Now I eat, drink, and sleep these bothersome thoughts. I do think they will end for all of us though, as we realize that WE are in control of OUR minds. Good Luck to all and Be Strong! :)

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Post by Hope321 » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:58 am

So helpful to know that someone else is going through the exact same thing as I am with the same thoughts. Thank you for sharing what your counselor told you. I am in the process of finding a new one because the one I was going to wasnt helping at all. If you have any more insight that helps you, please share. We will get through this. I just keep remembering how I was before this and how I never ever had these thoughts. I feel like if I was indeed questioning my sexuality it would have happened a while ago...before I was happily married. I never would have dreamed that I would ever have scary thoughts like this. Maybe that is why they are so scary and upsetting. Thanks for sharing. You have helped. Just knowing I am not the only one with these scary obsessive thoughts.

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Post by HOCKEY66. » Sat Mar 26, 2005 4:43 am

WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IN REGARDS TO ACCEPTANCE IS NOT TO SAY THAT IF YOU HAVE GAY THOUGHTS YOU ARE GAY.THIS IS THE BOTTOM LINE WITH OBSESSIONS IF YOU THINK THAT WAY IN REGARDS TO ACCEPTANCE THATS EXACTLY WHAT THIS INSIDIOUS DISORDER WANTS YOU TO DO.YOU MUST ACCEPT THE THOUGHTS AS THEY MAY OR MAY NOT COME,BUT IF THEY DO TREAT THEM AS SOMETHING IRRELEVANT BECAUSE IF YOU MAKE LIGHT AND EXCEPT THEY WILL LOSE THERE POWER IF YOU PUT THOUGHT INTO IF I THINK THOUGHTS OF BEING GAY AND I ACCEPT THAT THEN I MUST BE GAY.THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE YOU HAVE TO LEARN JUST TO ACCEPT AND REALIZE THAT THIS IS PART OF YOUR BRAIN THAT IS GOING TO THROW AT YOU THE MOST DISTURBING THINGS IT CAN TO DRAW ANXIETY SYMPTOMS.SO ALL I CAN SAY FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE IS THAT I HAVE HAD SEVERAL GAY THOUGHTS AND I KNOW ITS PART OF MY CONDITION(ANXIETY OCD WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT).AND I HAVE LEARNED THAT ITS GONNA COME AND GO TO TRY AND UPSET ME AND IF I DONT ACCEPT IT AS THAT AND JUST GO WITH IT.IT FOR ONE WILL STAAY LONGER TWO MAKE ME QUESTION THE TRUTH OF IT AND THEN FINALLY PUT ME INTO A HUGE PANIC WHICH THEN IT HAS ESSENTIALLY WON.SO I URGE YOU TO REALIZE ITS NOT WHAT YOU ARE.THIS IS ANXIETY'S NASTY LITTLE WAY OF KEEPING YOU IN ITS GRIP.SO I KNOW ITS HARD BUT YOU HAVE TO JUST KEEP REPEATING THAT ITS NOT YOU AND JUST A MAL FUNCTIONING AMYGDALA THAT SENDS YOU CRAZY MESSAGES AND YOU NATURALLY WONDER IF ITS TRUE,BUT REST ASSURE THERE NOT OR THEY WOULD NOT BOTHER YOU.KEEP THE FAITH AND LOOK INTO BOOKS BY DR CLAIRE WEEKS.

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Post by Ms. Anxiety » Thu Mar 31, 2005 8:30 am

Hi All,

Thanks chris tt! I agree with you. To return the favor and offer you guys some comfort, I'd like to share with you what my therapist had told me the other night.
She said often times obsessive thoughts happen when we are worried or scared about something else, and we put these concerns into other thoughts. She said as crazy as it sounds, obsessing about one's sexuality or harming someone, may be easier to deal with than what is really bothering the person. She said the real issues at hand are sometimes too frightening to deal with, that our minds will choose something else to obsess over. This makes sense to me. I do feel a bit more comforted, but those thoughts are pesky and relentless!
Be strong! Keep the Faith! This too, shall pass! :)

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Post by TJames » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:21 pm

Hello all, I just want to say that reading these posts has taken about a million pounds of anxiety and self doubt off of my back. I thought I was the only one with this issue. I have been suffering from this issue off and on since I was about 16 years old, I am now 29. My father is very anti-gay and always spoke about how he hated gay people. I did not have a serious girlfriend until I was about 17 and during my early teen years he would always ask me why I never had a girlfriend or if I was gay. This put huge pressure on me and I of course started asking myself that very question. I believe this is where and why it all began. I am now 6 years happily married and my wife and I have been together for 12 years this October. My wife knows about my obsessive thinking on this issue and we both went to a counselor together. My obsessive thoughts on this issue seem to come and go, sometime they will be gone for a year or two and then BAM I wake up one day walking in the same obsessive circle as when it all began. I started having these thoughts again early this month and I gotta tell you when an issue like this keeps reoccuring for this long in your life you really start to question your sexuality. I have never had any sexual attraction to men and you would think that that in itself would be evidence enough but nooooo my thoughts seem to take control. I hate this feeling so much, its the worst feeling in the world. Some days I wish I was plagued with any other problem, nothing is as bad as these thoughts. Me and my wife are planning on having children soon and I really hope that I can get this completly under control once and for all. Thanks for your posts they helped me realize that this issue is just an anxiety/obsessive thinking issue.

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Post by Ms. Anxiety » Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:04 pm

Hi All!! :)

Please read this article that I've attached below. I have found this information on the following website: ocdonline.com. Very interesting material!

Lesbians Everywhere: A gay spiker confronts her pure-O theme about getting an answer to her sexual orientation question!

This particular tale of OCD begins with a crush on a boy named Sam.
I was a very happy girl. I was about to graduate at the top of my high school class, spent bags of time with my friends, and was enjoying my crush, of course.
Sam, however, didn't like receiving my attention as much as I liked giving it. About four months after we met, I heard from a mutual friend that Sam was gay.
I was a bit depressed and slightly embarrassed. Sam hadn't turned out to be the love of my young life. Mostly, though, I felt relieved to know his true colors, and hoped that he (and I) would be happy with future boyfriends.
A few days later, I had a full-blown panic attack, feeling the kind of intense anxiety which usually alerts someone to disaster, an emergency or the edge of a cliff.
My body and brain sent signals that I was in dire straits. I was shaking, I could hear my heart beating, and I desperately wanted to hide under the covers and never come out again. One thought possessed me: perhaps my slight discomfort with the Sam fiasco stemmed from homosexual desires of my own.
I found out years later that this very horrible experience marked the beginning of my struggle with a kind of OCD that is sometimes referred to as the "purely obsessional," or pure-O, type of the condition.
Although I couldn't understand why, I worried desperately that I was gay. I had never had sexual feeling for women; even if I had, I thought that such feelings were normal. But denial or acceptance of sexual feelings was not the issue. It was the sense of urgency that accompanied the question, the burning need to know the absolute truth.
I looked at magazines to see if I had a physical reaction to photographs of attractive women. I measured my response to girls I saw in the halls of my high school. I confessed to my dad, then my mom - who were genuinely puzzled, and explained that whatever sexual choices I made were fine, but that they also couldn't understand the overnight shift in my "preferences".
I pored over my past relationships with guys and friendships with girls, looking for any proof. (I suddenly saw lesbians everywhere. I listened to the Indigo Girls, picking apart their lyrics; if I could relate to a love song, it confirmed my new identity; if I couldn�t, I was a closet case. I learned that a favorite author had been gay, and that reading her books in public was considered "a dead giveaway" by some in the gay community. Why did I like her books, my little voice asked, and why so much?) I told my best friend what was going on - or tried anyway - and she suggested I seek counseling.
I did, although I never told my secret in that particular batch of therapy sessions. I felt as though the therapist I had would just pronounce me a closet case and leave me to deal with the anxiety I felt myself. Rationally, I understood that my attraction to men remained; that although I could appreciate the beauty of women, I didn't really want to sleep with them; and that I spent an inordinate amount of time debating whether I was gay. I couldn't understand why the questions I had were accompanied by so much fear. I even knew that the same questions wouldn't have bothered me before OCD.
I thought I couldn't do anything. So I convinced everyone I had just gone through an adolescent phase, stopped therapy and packed my bags for Yale, still terrified.
True to the wax-and-wane, in-and-out pattern that I now know OCD can take, the obsessive sexual thoughts I experienced did actually become dramatically less invasive throughout my first two college years. I met another boy at the end of junior year--we'll call him Alex--who shared my love of stand-up and great restaurants--and fell utterly, totally, drastically in love, as did he.
OCD came back and bit me in the butt about eight months after our graduation. This time, the attack was far worse. I could literally feel my blood coursing through my veins during anxiety attacks. I did the same "checks" with girls in magazines and on the subway that I had done before. Many mornings, I couldn't get out of bed. I thought about how much I loved Alex, and heard an incredibly frightening voice inside me saying that I would have to give him up, tell him the news, and have relationships with women.
I found another psychoanalyst and this time spilled the beans after about seven sessions, although I was very scared of judgement. She said there was nothing I could do, and that my obsessions were largely untreatable. I felt completely lost.
I spent hours checking out websites on depression, gays, depressed gay people, depressed closeted people--everything fueled the fire and the voice that said "this is you, you are gay, you get no boys anymore, you get women, you have to learn to like them because somewhere inside you, you already do--you must, after all, otherwise you wouldn't spend so much time thinking about it�"
On a depression site, I saw a link to an OCD site. I thought OCD had something to do with people who washed their hands too much and used Kleenex to open doors, but figured the site was worth a quick look just the same.
I found 20 questions--if you answered yes to the majority you were "unofficially diagnosed" with OCD. I answered yes to eighteen. After surfing more OCD websites and reading some of the good books available about my illness, I learned about the "pure-O" and I thought I fit the description. My heart leapt at the mention of "obsessions of a sexual nature" as a frequent spike for the pure-O.
I also learned that people with OCD fare better with behavioral therapy than psychoanalysis, so I said my goodbyes and enlisted in the help of Dr. Steven Phillipson.
This guy has been my guide and a great support as I still learn to cope with day-to-day life and this condition. One of the most interesting and comforting things I learned is that an astounding number of people with OCD have the same spike that I had--fears of homosexuality--even though it is not always as well-documented as some of the other common spikes. Who knew?
We created a hierarchy of exposure exercises. An easier exposure? Rating women on their looks, sexiness and how much I feel attracted to them. Watching movies with lesbian relationships and sex scenes was tougher. Still harder was actually conjuring up fantasies of sexual acts with women. During exposures, my brain pestered me with questions and "what ifs" that I had to ignore. But they habituated my brain to my "gay" thoughts and gradually extinguished them-almost 100 percent.
I even "outed" myself to Alex. He was astounded, but proud of me, and went to talk with Steve, to better understand what I was dealing with.
I may have to take on another OCD bully later, but I'll be better equipped knowing how to use exposures. They'll help me face spikes till I don't even notice them anymore. I hope that the other gay spikers out there--I know you are there--step up to the plate and try behavioral therapy. In this PC era, it's tough to tell a therapist you are possessed by gay thoughts, though you're not actually gay-- and hope to be taken seriously. But the results of good therapy are really worthwhile. It will help you experience far better things in life than invasive, anxiety-producing obsessions.
I wish you the best in your attempts to manage and deal with OCD.

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Post by RONT » Sat Apr 02, 2005 8:42 am

Chris TT
I am so happy for you and your efforts to get help and answers to the obsessive thoughts. I know you struggled very painfully through a time.
Congratulations! Ron

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Post by Ms. Anxiety » Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:09 pm

Hi All....
Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is feeling? Any breaking news for anyone?

Best Wishes!! :)

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Post by HOCKEY66. » Fri Apr 08, 2005 7:04 pm

Thank you Ron.Its been a long journey and ive really come out a much better person both mentally and spirtually having had to deal with this condition.I highly recommend a book to everyone .It is a must read for anyone that wants true piece of mind.it is called the power of now by Tolle.Its worth every penny probably one of the most powerful books i have ever had the pleasure to read.God Bless

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Post by Ms. Anxiety » Tue Apr 12, 2005 9:21 am

Hi All,

Has anyone who has dealt with scary thoughts of this nature gotten over them? Do these thoughts ever feel so real that you get overcome with fear and confusion? I try to ignore these thoughts as they don't fit who I am or what I want out of life, but sometimes they come on so strong, I don't even know who I am anymore. Any info would be great!

Thanks all!! :)

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